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that's the problem with you americans ! you think it's perfectly cool to own a gun and that's, imo, where the problem starts... ok, nothing will prevent those who want to break the law of finding a gun but if guns were not allowed in the Usa it wouldn't be that easy... maybe I speak from an European perspective but I can see no reason why something that is working in Europe won't in the States... then, I have to say that not all firearms crimes are commited by "outlaws", perfectly normal people (well untill they start shooting) are a huge proportion of the problem...

I thing the main problem is political : the US constitution (partly based on American perception of the Bible !!!) is old and really needs a good 3rd millenium refreshment... unfortunately, with the preparation for a 2nd Patriot Act, it's unlikely it's gonna change soon... :evil:

One: It's easy to hurt other people with canabais (you have to throw really hard), and not so easy to kill people with a gun
Two: Nice you mentioned Van Gogh, you know why you got to hear that? because people usually don't get shot in this countrey, that's why. In New York alone, several people get shot to death daily, not to mention the ones that get shot and survive. Here in the Netherlands (we have far more inhabitants than New York) it's all over the freakin' news when someone gets shot, it doesn't even mean he gets killed...

and if it's wed you're throwing, it has to been even harder !

http://www.helpnetwork.org/2002%20data% ... 0Table.pdf
american statistics on death by fire arms... scary !

I agree with everything there. Maybe I should move to the Netherlands.

Although I do have a couple bears in my bloodstream.

Theory is cute, but let's look at stats.

In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States.

In 1998, there were 2510 teen suicides involving firearms.
There were 1,625 teen suicides that did not involve firearms.

Many of the victims of American gun violence have been children as well. A recent study by the Centers for Disease Control shows that American children are nearly 12 times more likely to die from a gun injury than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. They are 11 times more likely to use a gun to commit suicide and nine times more likely to die from an unintentional shooting.

Gun violence in America is ridiculously high.

hahaha, if that ain't convincing, then i don't know what is...

New York State actually has MORE people than The Netherlands. According to Wikipedia, The Netherlands population in 2004 was 16,318,199. New York State was 18,976,457 with New York City making up around 8 million of that. Don't tell me that several people get shot daily. I used to work for the New York City Morgue and I can tell you that on average we had 2 shootings in a week. I'm sure this is very similar to most big cities with populations of more than 6 Million. When you have that many people it will be inevitable that there will be a few shootings whether guns are illegal or legal. Look at the large cities in Brazil. Crime rates are sky high and the POLICE are acting as vigilante death squads. New York City also has the strongest anti-gun laws in the country. It's harder to buy a gun legally here than anywhere in the country. A majority of people who apply for gun permits get turned down here.

The second amendment does provide for the right to bear arms but no one ever reads the full text. It also provides for a "well-organized milita." The clause was included during colonial times so that incase the British invaded again (as they did in the War of 1812) that the citizenry would be able to defend itself. I don't think it should be illegal to own a gun per se but there need to be far more restrictions than there currently are on gun ownership. "Well-organized milita" does not mean that crazy neighbor Bob can have an Uzi.

Also the other problem stems from the MANUFACTURERS. They give incentives to gun shops that sell the most and turn the biggest profits. They also donate millions of dollars to politicians and lobby groups to protect their investments.

In addition, the US Constitution has NOTHING to do with the bible. The framers designed it so there was a separation of church and state and there is not a mention of god or religion anywhere in the document (Have you read it? I have.). There will not be a second patriot act since the first one is so unpopular and may even be declared unconstitutional for violating constitutional rights. I'm so glad that the neo-fascist fuck John Ashcroft is no longer the attorney general.

I do agree with you about drunk drivers. If you get caught driving drunk, you should never be allowed to drive again. There is no excuse. The US state of Massachusetts has a law where they impound your car if you are caught driving drunk.

All this typing has made me lightheaded after my blood donation today. I need to lie down.

Lol.

I wasn't talking about the state New York, I was talking about the City. The Netherlands have twice as many inhabitants as NYC.



Too bad Jay, people that DIE because of a nongovernemental gun in NYC is actually a daily matter. Not to mention those that just get hurt. If, as you say, NYC has the strongest laws, then it's even worse in the rest the USA. Ow, and you can kill someone with an uzi just as easy as with a normal handgun. Do you really think those laws apply for this date? Do you really think Canada will all of a sudden hit a massive ground offence on civils in the US without any warning? Jay, this is 2005, wars don't go that way anymore.

Ow and not to forget your seperation of church and state, which you clearly have not. Bush puts every decision he want to make in the hands of his fucking god, do you call that seperation of church and state?

you kinda read my mind ! 100% agreed ! damn, we're truely building Europe !!!

That's not true at all. Everything Bush stands for is what Christianity does not. Christianity is against war and violence, and about supporting those in need. The opposite of what Bush does. Let me properly refraise your statement: Bush puts every decision he wants to make in the hands of his fucking dad.

I strongly believe in seperation of chruch and state, but if Bush ran his country according to Christian teachings, he would be a democrat. And we all know that's definitally not the case.

No, we'll give a warning.

he does not stand to real christian values though he always speaks in name of God or Jesus Christ + how can you have a decent separation btw church and state when you clearly admit on your money "In Go We Trust" (we all know it's the Christian god it stands for).

but all you say is right, well, in theory but it's definetely & clearly not what's happening in the us.... influent Christians are Republicans & GW Bush is a part of them... you do the math....

Look when people start talking about Christianity and its values I say fuck.......every denomination of Christianity is flawed in some way. Catholicisim is trying to take over the world...the crusades didnt work so now they're using conversion. Protestants....lets face it, you have a fake religion....the only reason your church exists is because your stupid fat WASPy fuck of a king wanted to divorce his wife.....and the pope wouldnt let him. So as far as the USA is concerned you're either Protestant, Catholic, or some bastardized southern methodist screamin halleluja bull shit church. The worst acts in history have been done in the name of God, Jesus, and the church....so stop fucking talking about Christian morals and values, before you bring down another shit storm of Islamic fundamentalists.

We can complain as much as we want. Guns will never be outlawed in this country. Forget about it. There is way too much money that stands to be lost in that case and since the people who stand to lose are all Republicans, it'll never happen.

Bush can say god this and god that but in the end it means nothing. We don't have a state religion, unlike many other nations (England, Israel, and I don't even have to mention the Middle East) and we don't teach religion in school unless you go to a religious school (unlike most other countries). The fact of the matter is that while lobbyists from any denomination can try and influence politics with money they have zero direct effects on the laws being past. Please don't try and tell me that none of the politicians in Europe or Canada aren't conservative Christians either because that's just nonsense.

I could be wrong, but I think Protestantism is what came out of Lutheranism, which was a result of Martin Luther reading the Bible and seeing how little of it the Catholics of the time followed. Henry VIII did make up a religion, but I'm not sure what it was.

i like this

Henry VIII founded the Anglican Church just to get divorced, that is tue but different fom protestantism which, you're right, came from Luther... I know protestants don't confess themselves, they have to live with their sins, and that they don't believe in the holy trinity but I guess Gast1, being dutch, will tell you more about it...

Sorry, once again, Holy Terror talked shit... I'm getting used to it now.... 8)

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so ? talking metal & learning together !!!

any other complains ?

Wow, that will be in my list of lame replies... Do you actually think that I was to enforce that law on my own??? I'm just saying that the laws should be changed, I don't care if everyone agrees, so that it can actually be done. It's a nice way of you to say you were wrong and I was right and that you agree now though...



In europe I don't know, but all ones here are voted so. We have christian parties that want more christian things. we don't say there is a seperation either... Christians influence politics, look at your drugpolicy and homopolicy...