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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:16 pm 
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I liked it 70/100 for me, yes a tout le monde sucks but it have always sucked so no surprise here, Amerikhastan sucks donkey balls too but the rest its pretty good, sleepwalker is my favorite here and its the closest to RIP that youre ever gonna get, in fact one of the riffs (3:20) sounds a lot like Polaris, the best solo goes for the one in Pray For Blood though, its amazing, so overall im quite pleased with this release we all know that Dave can do a lot worse.


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So, is this worth 22 frs?

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Ugh, this has to be said, as much as Dave Mustaine tries to recapture the magic of his old drug addict days, he has fundamentally changed his writing style, and attitude towards life. While I think that he may be better off living a healthier more spiritual life, he needs to give up on the music, because at this point, it still sounds like he's bowing to the record companies. Road Runner is notorious for putting out commercial shit metal bands, and Megadeth can now be added to the ever expanding list. This is not thrash metal, by any stretch of the imagination. While the solos may be technically good, I would not venture to say that they blister. The riffs are generic and boring, and Dave's vocals are fucking hilarious. I listened to this album three times, three times too many apparently. This is a mockery of what Megadeth stood for, and by him continuing to put out albums that suck, he is further soiling Megadeth's mark on metal. What once was a pioneer, is now a tired old hat that is good only for live shows where they play the classics. Dave, old buddy, it's time to throw in the towel, not even the Drover brothers can save you.


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Yes, the lyrics on this album are complete and uttter shit though. Not only that, but he's about 4 years too late with this Pro-iraqi War Rally crap. Even the Republicans in Congress have told Bush to eithier fix the mess or they will turn their backs on him. This country has wised up at this point and recognized that the Iraq War is this generation's Vietnam, so Dave needs to get with the program.


Is Dave really pro-Iraq? I always thought of him as pretty liberal. I guess I was interpreting the title United Abominations as being about them preventing Bush from going to war.

EDIT: After actually reading the lyrics, It seems pretty easy to take it both ways. Songs like Amerikhastan could be interpreted as a parody of right-wing soapboxing or just,well, right-wing soapboxing.


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Yes, the lyrics on this album are complete and uttter shit though. Not only that, but he's about 4 years too late with this Pro-iraqi War Rally crap. Even the Republicans in Congress have told Bush to eithier fix the mess or they will turn their backs on him. This country has wised up at this point and recognized that the Iraq War is this generation's Vietnam, so Dave needs to get with the program.


Is Dave really pro-Iraq? I always thought of him as pretty liberal. I guess I was interpreting the title United Abominations as being about them preventing Bush from going to war.

EDIT: After actually reading the lyrics, It seems pretty easy to take it both ways. Songs like Amerikhastan could be interpreted as a parody of right-wing soapboxing or just,well, right-wing soapboxing.


I honestly don't know what exactly it is he's trying to say with the album. Some of it can be interpereted as being right-wing, and then some of it can be seen as being on the left side of the fence. I say he's pro_Iraq war though, not only from some of the lyrics, but also the fact that the first thing you see when you open the jewel case is an anti-terrorism rant from "Jack Bauer."


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He's definately pro-Iraq. In the last Terrorizer interview he was going on about how he had met el Pres, shook his hand and helped to pass legislation, and he was proud of it, and the interviewer compared him to Coulter. :blink: This coming from the man that wrote 'Peace Sells... but Who's Buying', as Rio said...


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He's definately pro-Iraq. In the last Terrorizer interview he was going on about how he had met el Pres, shook his hand and helped to pass legislation, and he was proud of it, and the interviewer compared him to Coulter. :blink: This coming from the man that wrote 'Peace Sells... but Who's Buying', as Rio said...


Ya, but the guy who wrote Devil's Island is also the one who got a band kicked off a festival for having satanic themes in their songs. Dave isn't who he used to be, clearly.


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He's definately pro-Iraq. In the last Terrorizer interview he was going on about how he had met el Pres, shook his hand and helped to pass legislation, and he was proud of it, and the interviewer compared him to Coulter. :blink: This coming from the man that wrote 'Peace Sells... but Who's Buying', as Rio said...


Ya, but the guy who wrote Devil's Island is also the one who got a band kicked off a festival for having satanic themes in their songs. Dave isn't who he used to be, clearly.


And they say becoming Christian doesn't change their politics. :rolleyes:


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Ya, but the guy who wrote Devil's Island is also the one who got a band kicked off a festival for having satanic themes in their songs. Dave isn't who he used to be, clearly.


I was just about to say something similar so... +1

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Ya, but the guy who wrote Devil's Island is also the one who got a band kicked off a festival for having satanic themes in their songs. Dave isn't who he used to be, clearly.


I was just about to say something similar so... +1

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Still, thinking about it, writing a song about the devil doesn't make you a Satanist.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:34 pm 
The song wasn't about the devil (it was about the "devil's island" penal colony that he read about in Papillon)), and I don't think Dave was ever a satanist. That wasn't really the point though, I didn't think.

I was agreeing that Dave doesn't seem to be the same person he used to be. That's not entirely unexpected or unreasonable really, but it has appeared to change his outlook and perspective quite a bit and it shows a lot in his music and interviews. The whole thing with Dissection was a good example of that. I don't think he would have cared much about it 15 or 20 years ago, and though I understand his disagreement with it, what he did suggests a whiny, insecure man more than anything. And that's not the only example of that. ... Frankly, I'm almost surprised he'll even still play "Devil's Island" just because of the name. But then again, he still (afaik) refers to the fans on their site as "droogies" too, so...

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Ya, but the guy who wrote Devil's Island is also the one who got a band kicked off a festival for having satanic themes in their songs. Dave isn't who he used to be, clearly.


And the guy who wrote Holy Wars... The Punishment Due ( :dio: ) is now using the phrase "God against God" (I don't know if he's serious) in his lyrics


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The song wasn't about the devil (it was about the "devil's island" penal colony that he read about in Papillon)), and I don't think Dave was ever a satanist. That wasn't really the point though, I didn't think.

I was agreeing that Dave doesn't seem to be the same person he used to be. That's not entirely unexpected or unreasonable really, but it has appeared to change his outlook and perspective quite a bit and it shows a lot in his music and interviews. The whole thing with Dissection was a good example of that. I don't think he would have cared much about it 15 or 20 years ago, and though I understand his disagreement with it, what he did suggests a whiny, insecure man more than anything. And that's not the only example of that. ... Frankly, I'm almost surprised he'll even still play "Devil's Island" just because of the name. But then again, he still (afaik) refers to the fans on their site as "droogies" too, so...

-Tyrion


I always interpreted the "Droogies" title as a Clockwork Orange reference.


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Ya, but the guy who wrote Devil's Island is also the one who got a band kicked off a festival for having satanic themes in their songs. Dave isn't who he used to be, clearly.


And the guy who wrote Holy Wars... The Punishment Due ( :dio: ) is now using the phrase "God against God" (I don't know if he's serious) in his lyrics


Holy Wars wasn't an anti-religious song. It was just questioning the purpose of fighting over religion in the first place. I'll agree with Dave in saying that I don't understand it either.


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I always interpreted the "Droogies" title as a Clockwork Orange reference.


I thought they were "droogs", but I don't know... It's been a looong time since I saw that movie. Or maybe it's a combination of words/meanings perhaps? Either way, it doesn't seem very consistent with the new Dave Mustaine.

I'm not attacking him as a person, hell, it's not like I know him. But from a viewpoint of a fan/listener it seems like he's trying to have his cake and eat it too. On one hand, he's a grown, changed man. On the other, he still wants to identify with parts of his past and his music of the past, the fans, etc. I'm not sure you can't have a little of both, but it hasn't seemed like he's done a very good job of finding that median to me. And that is something I think has shown in recent albums, including this one.

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Droogies is a reference to Clockwork Orange. It's his favorite movie, theirs even an awesome poster of Vic placed inside the CO triangle. I don't see why liking that movie would go against being a Christian though.

And I know quite a few Right-Wingers who listen to Metal, so I don't see why making Metal music would go against that grain eithier. Hell, Micheal Savage uses "The Shortest Straw" as the intro to his "Savage Nation" Conservative Radio program.

Anyways, I don't care eithier way, I like the actual Music on the album and that's what really matters. I mean I like Strapping Young Lad, and his lyrics are oftentimes just nonsense, and Steve Souza Exodus had some truly stupid lyrics, but I still like it. I don't have to identify with it to like it.


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The problem with me for the lyrics is that they are just a bunch of nonsense. The lyrics for Sleepwalker are just ridiculous:

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Just taking a stroll; don’t go to sleep! Here’s some toothpicks for your eyes!

You always make an excellent cadaver
I roll your body up in a carpet to make music in the
Trunk of my limousine, wrapped up in a rug
A fitting end, is that I send you up the river like a punk


The song "You're Dead" mentions something like "I'll stomp on your grave, even if you're dead." It is a good thing that the actual music is good because the lyrics drive me nuts.


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theirs even an awesome poster of Vic placed inside the CO triangle.
Does anyone have a picture of that?


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Eternal Idol wrote:
Steve Souza Exodus had some truly stupid lyrics, but I still like it.


Steve Souza's lyrics are supposed to be completely retarded. Thats why they rule. I'm not a patriot, just a hate-riot...


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>someone who has been watching way too much FAUX NOOZE.

Rolls eyes.

As opposed to someone gullible enough to have been sucked into the pro-terrorist, collectivist propaganda of the pseudo-news on Communist News Network, I guess.


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