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If anybody says that grunge is real metal, than he has to be locked in a room and must listen 24 hours to Slayer, Iron Maiden, old Metallica, old Megadeth and so on. :P

Metalcore and Limp Bizkit is more metal than grunge. ;)


You need to be locked in a room.


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If you lock all metal fans who think the same in that room - it must be really big...

Or you are not old enough to know what grunge was for "normal" Rock and Metal Fans at that time 1992~1994.


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If you lock all metal fans who think the same in that room - it must be really big...


Don't put me in that big room, please, I'll keep listening Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Sodom, Skyclad, but also Soundgarden and AiC... And Pink Floyd, and King Crimson, and The Pogues, And Beatles, and a lot of good music, metal, rock or whatever.


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AiC and Pearl Jam are about the only 2 Grunge bands I like.

But I think it's kinda silly of TheMetalWarrior316 to indiscriminately slam Grunge because "o noes it almost killed teh tr00 methuls \m/" when you have quality acts like AiC and Pearl Jam representing the genre.


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Society has many legitimate reasons to hate it without making yourself seem immature or childish in the process.


yeah, while you can sound like an idiot while being anti-society, you can also do it eloquently. writing about hating your parents or whatnot, it's basically impossible not to sound like an idiot.


I hate my parents because they whip me with a stick if i don't do what they say.

Im sure many people are in that situation, i knew some too.


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So all three of those are good songs with decent vocals. The AinC song is one of their best. Maybe it's because I grew up listening to it but I don't see Pearl Jam and AinC as being the opposite of metal. And no matter how bad Steve Weiland gets, STP is still better than metalcore.

Oh and society as in the collective actions not the individuals within it.


At least, in Metalcore we have guitar solos. It's not about quality, it's about Style.

Bands like Alice in Chanis are the reason why Metallica made something like Load or Reload. Just listen to "Where the Wild things are".
I like that song so whatever and just because metalcore has solos doesn't mean it's better. Giving in to conformity, ie: metalcore, is not metal so therefore grunge is more acceptable.


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AiC and Pearl Jam are about the only 2 Grunge bands I like.

But I think it's kinda silly of TheMetalWarrior316 to indiscriminately slam Grunge because "o noes it almost killed teh tr00 methuls \m/" when you have quality acts like AiC and Pearl Jam representing the genre.


Agree, those are the grunge bands I still listen to. And they're way, way better than all that glam shite that came out on the arse end of the 80s.


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traptunderice wrote:
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So all three of those are good songs with decent vocals. The AinC song is one of their best. Maybe it's because I grew up listening to it but I don't see Pearl Jam and AinC as being the opposite of metal. And no matter how bad Steve Weiland gets, STP is still better than metalcore.

Oh and society as in the collective actions not the individuals within it.


At least, in Metalcore we have guitar solos. It's not about quality, it's about Style.

Bands like Alice in Chanis are the reason why Metallica made something like Load or Reload. Just listen to "Where the Wild things are".
I like that song so whatever and just because metalcore has solos doesn't mean it's better. Giving in to conformity, ie: metalcore, is not metal so therefore grunge is more acceptable.


Funny isn't it? I hate grunge due to the same reasons you don't like metalcore: For me grunge is not metal! It's alternative heavy rock bullshit crap.


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
So all three of those are good songs with decent vocals. The AinC song is one of their best. Maybe it's because I grew up listening to it but I don't see Pearl Jam and AinC as being the opposite of metal. And no matter how bad Steve Weiland gets, STP is still better than metalcore.

Oh and society as in the collective actions not the individuals within it.


At least, in Metalcore we have guitar solos. It's not about quality, it's about Style.

Bands like Alice in Chanis are the reason why Metallica made something like Load or Reload. Just listen to "Where the Wild things are".
I like that song so whatever and just because metalcore has solos doesn't mean it's better. Giving in to conformity, ie: metalcore, is not metal so therefore grunge is more acceptable.


Funny isn't it? I hate grunge due to the same reasons you don't like metalcore: For me grunge is not metal! It's alternative heavy rock bullshit crap.


Does it matter if it's metal or not? Seriously?


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TheOctavarius wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
So all three of those are good songs with decent vocals. The AinC song is one of their best. Maybe it's because I grew up listening to it but I don't see Pearl Jam and AinC as being the opposite of metal. And no matter how bad Steve Weiland gets, STP is still better than metalcore.

Oh and society as in the collective actions not the individuals within it.


At least, in Metalcore we have guitar solos. It's not about quality, it's about Style.

Bands like Alice in Chanis are the reason why Metallica made something like Load or Reload. Just listen to "Where the Wild things are".
I like that song so whatever and just because metalcore has solos doesn't mean it's better. Giving in to conformity, ie: metalcore, is not metal so therefore grunge is more acceptable.


Funny isn't it? I hate grunge due to the same reasons you don't like metalcore: For me grunge is not metal! It's alternative heavy rock bullshit crap.


Does it matter if it's metal or not? Seriously?


Of course not. But i just don't like this alternative crap.


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
So all three of those are good songs with decent vocals. The AinC song is one of their best. Maybe it's because I grew up listening to it but I don't see Pearl Jam and AinC as being the opposite of metal. And no matter how bad Steve Weiland gets, STP is still better than metalcore.

Oh and society as in the collective actions not the individuals within it.


At least, in Metalcore we have guitar solos. It's not about quality, it's about Style.

Bands like Alice in Chanis are the reason why Metallica made something like Load or Reload. Just listen to "Where the Wild things are".
I like that song so whatever and just because metalcore has solos doesn't mean it's better. Giving in to conformity, ie: metalcore, is not metal so therefore grunge is more acceptable.


Funny isn't it? I hate grunge due to the same reasons you don't like metalcore: For me grunge is not metal! It's alternative heavy rock bullshit crap.
Never said grunge was metal; it is just more acceptable to listen to.


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Nirvana's vocals are better than AiC or Pearl Jam's?! Wow. Never thought anyone would think that.


Better in a metal/punk way of better. I like for example the singing style of James Hetfield on Master of Puppets or Ride the Lightning better than on Load or Reload. Maybe he has improved, but the whole style is different.


I like James's voice on the original Load, actually. I don't know why, but I like that more raspy angry parent-like voice he has on the album. Not to mention his slight southern accent in spots.

ReLoad, on the other hand, I felt showed him trying too hard to make his voice more high pitched. According to rumor, he even used a few STUDIO TRICKS (such as speeding his voice up in places) to make his voice sound higher pitched in songs like Attitude.

His best vocal performance IMO was on And Justice For All. His voice on the first three Metallica records just sounded too angsty teenager-ish for me.


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
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Nirvana's vocals are better than AiC or Pearl Jam's?! Wow. Never thought anyone would think that.


Better in a metal/punk way of better. I like for example the singing style of James Hetfield on Master of Puppets or Ride the Lightning better than on Load or Reload. Maybe he has improved, but the whole style is different.


I like James's voice on the original Load, actually. I don't know why, but I like that more raspy angry parent-like voice he has on the album. Not to mention his slight southern accent in spots.

ReLoad, on the other hand, I felt showed him trying too hard to make his voice more high pitched. According to rumor, he even used a few STUDIO TRICKS (such as speeding his voice up in places) to make his voice sound higher pitched in songs like Attitude.

His best vocal performance IMO was on And Justice For All. His voice on the first three Metallica records just sounded too angsty teenager-ish for me.


Personally, I really like the vocals on KEA, they have an attitude to them that they never really reached again in the other records. Though I like James' vox on all the records except St Anger obviously.


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I love how this thread has reached three pages when the new Judas Priest - arguably the most important band in Metal in sheer '!METAL!' value - only gets two. It woud seem that people here would like to see more of the non-trad./true Metal world covered, and so it shall be.


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Metalcore is not real metal because it is another faddish attempt by the major labels and small, stupider labels to create a mainstream form of metal. It will eventually go out of style like Alternative, Hair Metal, Nu-Metal, Industro-metal, et. al.

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The distinction we need to make here is not which styles are metal, but which bands were metal. In this case, Grunge, there were only three bands that were originators and did anything honest in the context of that sub-genre.

Soundgarden, Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam. I can't comment on bands like the pixies that never got any mainstream acclaim that a lot of people think falls into those confines. You have to decide what is honest and not bullshit when dealing with these mainstream forms of metal. For me those three are the only ones that weren't a pre-packaged record company attempt to make money off of a fad.

Nirvana's music was never good enough in my book to consider them at all and I think it goes without saying they were not really a metal band. They had a lot more in common with garage rock meets punk.

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Metalcore is an attempt to put hardcore into metal, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it gets chaotic enough not to be very mainstream at all...


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Metalcore is an attempt to put hardcore into metal, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it gets chaotic enough not to be very mainstream at all...


You mean like Municipal Waste?





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