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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:58 am 
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"But we never saw this as a game. Our friends fucking died man, that shit never was cool." - Blasphemer

That about sums up that whole early 90's BM scene for me.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:35 pm 
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BM is inextricably linked to truth, in my opinion. I feel that facing the reality of the human condition - grasping it at the core, for what it is - is what fuels its nihilism. That deeply personal revelation makes the experience a "religious" one - at least in my case.

Religions, as we know, are an impediment to human progress, and we would be better off without them. BM is an extremely - perhaps, the most - pure expression of that view. If you care about where humanity is going, it is almost hypocritical to not be anti-religious.

Satan should be (and is) a metaphor for pushing back. In my opinion, the defining characteristic of BM is anti-religion, and the ends justify the means. Fans in malls? No problem - at best, we are recruiting people to the way we see the world. At worst, they are being exposed to a "radical" point of view (in their eyes).

As the limits are pushed -- if people are used to hearing "eradicate religion" - then it is that much easier (and that much less extreme) for a kid to come out and say I'm an atheist or agnostic - and again, BM wins.

That being said, the day Rotting Christ is on MTV is a day closer to marginalized, irrelevant religious influence - and one step closer to an improved human condition. The only prerequisite is that the bands stay true to the message - anti-religion - and that is the most important standard we should hold them up to, in my opinion.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:10 pm 
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Buncha bullshit. Terrible article. lol.

This is a different time than the ye olden days where very little was known about bands other than that they appeared like they wanted to kill people and wore evil face paint. This is the days of the internet, where you can find out something in regards to a band in a matter of seconds that may automatically qualify them for being less " hardcore " than their image or music may have given off.

As for it being commercial, that's a complete joke. There may be a few bands that are in the eye of the mainstream, but that's how its always been. I don't see people walking around telling me " Ah shit, new Wolves in the Throne Room was badass, right? Lets go buy some shit at Hollister! "

Terrible article. I maybe know five other people IRL that can spell black metal and name a few bands.

Of course fucking Varg cares what people think, he's a human being like anyone else, even though a fucked up one.

I don't even want to get started on the suggestion that black metal bands are selling out trying to cash in, the example about that reissue is a joke. I'm sure they made jack shit from it.

Then to state that it really matters what the content of a black metal bands lyrics are is just silly. They have to be limited all to the same content?
I just laugh at the article in its entirety. It reeks of elitist snobbery.


Well said. I see music as art, and each particular "off-shoot" of a genre or sub-genre as just a different form of musical expression. I am not a proponent of "the music is the message", and truly believe that nearly any ideology can be expressed through nearly any form of music. I mean, we have sugary female pop bands singing about how great it is to be "white", why not have crushing black metal bands singing about candy canes & puppies? I don't think lyrics & music are mutually exclusive, and there are certain topics that lend themselves well to a particular music aesthetic, hence the rampant use of occult imagery in the early 80's thrash & metal scenes, blatant satanism (in all forms) in black & death metal, gore & violence in death metal, and so on. But obviously with albums like Pestilence's "Spheres" (and its contemporaries in Atheist in Cynic) speaking of very esoteric concepts blew the "death metal is all about death" idea out of the water, as if several dozen other DM bands hadn't already well refuted that mindset.

I firmly believe that a musical "style" is just that - a series of aesthetic approaches that are adopted because of their appeal, broad or not. By contrast, a musical "movement" is perhaps a much more focused & specific thing. NSBM would be a movement, as would "Christian metal" (of which I am a fan & proponent). These terms can get somewhat dodgy because of the very nature of them (what is "Christian" music, or "Aryan" music, or "satanic" music?), but we as humans crave those identifiers to help us better sort out our relationship to the art we love. Some rise above those trappings (or ignore them altogether), but I believe the majority of us still need them to help us express things.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:30 pm 
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Nice editorial. I believe this says the same thing I was crucified for saying earlier by Symphonic Black Metal fan boys. Anyways, I don't see the value in preaching hatred and destruction constantly, not if you seriously mean it. I like it when bands arent serious about this shit. Venom is a good example. They're about as Satanic as Wasp is now.


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