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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:54 pm 
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make that selfcrowned... america has by far the most nuclear weapons...


scary shit ! 8 billions people on this planet ruled by a few thousands filthy rich white american protestants... Europe has to build quick to replace the balance USSR once had could make... it'seither Europe or China, regarding democracy I'd say Europe is a chance...


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want to replace on power with another one? if so, europe will become the hated america of nowadays...


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want to replace on power with another one? if so, europe will become the hated america of nowadays...


there's always been super-powerful nation.... England, Spain, even France (with Napoleaon) and a few others had the power... and always a dominant nation is replaced by another, I don't think it's ever gonna chance but I may be wrong... :roll:

the real good solution would be to have a government for the whole planet... unfortunately, it's not going in our lifetimes...


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17th age, holland was a really strong nation, due to trading... never due to warfare...


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17th age, holland was a really strong nation, due to trading... never due to warfare...


trading slaves too, isn't it ? sure it's not warfare but I'm not sure it's any better...

EDIT : anyway all nations who had a great amount of power did bad things with it...


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haha, sure, but think the slaves away... it would be possible i guess...


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:18 pm 
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Gast1 wrote:
want to replace on power with another one? if so, europe will become the hated america of nowadays...


there's always been super-powerful nation.... England, Spain, even France (with Napoleaon) and a few others had the power... and always a dominant nation is replaced by another, I don't think it's ever gonna chance but I may be wrong... :roll:

the real good solution would be to have a government for the whole planet... unfortunately, it's not going in our lifetimes...


You mean the anti-christ?

If the world was ruled by one government, then who could oppose if that government became corrupt?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:51 pm 
Jaden wrote:
The Immortal Emokid wrote:
Gast1 wrote:
want to replace on power with another one? if so, europe will become the hated america of nowadays...


there's always been super-powerful nation.... England, Spain, even France (with Napoleaon) and a few others had the power... and always a dominant nation is replaced by another, I don't think it's ever gonna chance but I may be wrong... :roll:

the real good solution would be to have a government for the whole planet... unfortunately, it's not going in our lifetimes...


You mean the anti-christ?

If the world was ruled by one government, then who could oppose if that government became corrupt?


well, don't get me started on this Jaden... I have a great political theory of how the new world's order supposed to be... let's say it involves a system close to what Switzerland has.... with lots of referendums concerning the decisions to take.... for exemple, if you have to build a bridge you hold a referendum involving the people living in the 10 miles area around the construction site.... this goes on & on...and in my opinion, a major enforcement of local democracy would be the best weapon to fight any kind of corruption...

on the political aspect of the question, since there won't be anymore borders, and the local democracy system will ensure as much freedoom & clarity as possible, we might not have to deal with crisis such as the ones we know all over the world in this early 3rd millenium. sure this doesn't mean there won't be terrorist risks but our system doesn't avoid it either.

I hope you've had enough with what I explained 'cause it's a bit complicated to explain (even more in english which is not my native language) and I have no clue if there's any wabsites exposing ideas similar to mines...

but if you have any question, I'd be glad to answer... but remember than only an utopist's theory :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:18 am 
The Immortal Emokid wrote:
Gast1 wrote:
make that selfcrowned... america has by far the most nuclear weapons...


scary shit ! 8 billions people on this planet ruled by a few thousands filthy rich white american protestants... Europe has to build quick to replace the balance USSR once had could make... it'seither Europe or China, regarding democracy I'd say Europe is a chance...


I think you are giving Europe short shrift here.. take a look at any world map of economic indicators, or that famous night time satellite map of the planet .. Europe is definately still part of the global ruling class. The US may be a bully, but its not in total control.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:23 am 
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The Immortal Emokid wrote:
Gast1 wrote:
make that selfcrowned... america has by far the most nuclear weapons...


scary shit ! 8 billions people on this planet ruled by a few thousands filthy rich white american protestants... Europe has to build quick to replace the balance USSR once had could make... it'seither Europe or China, regarding democracy I'd say Europe is a chance...


I think you are giving Europe short shrift here.. take a look at any world map of economic indicators, or that famous night time satellite map of the planet .. Europe is definately still part of the global ruling class. The US may be a bully, but its not in total control.


agreed ! there has to be more power delayed to the south...

and i'm not saying Europe is heaven while the US are hell, but it's the US that are leading the world nowadays and Europe follows and (not so often) tries to oppose US administration... but you're right we do have blood on our hands too


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Europe is not as strong because it's not Europe but it's different countries....


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I'll get flamed for saying this, but it's eating away at me.

Dimebag was just a guy. I suppose he was a pretty cool guy, but he was no Mother Teresa. He was a good guitarist who player in a couple mediocre bands. He died, and it's sad, but come on. Look at the Tsunami, wiping out hundreds of thousands of people. I think that's a little more important than Dimebag. I mean, who actually listens Damage Plan? It sucks when someone dies (unless they deserved it, which he did not), but this whole thing was blown out of preportion, and I think we can drop it already. I just get annoyed when tragic events get blown out of preportion (like 9/11; the media dragged that on for like two years).


Gonna have to agree with you here... actually the media here in the States are still dragging out 9/11, though less so after the tsunami.
After all, it would look pretty stupid, since 9/11 is completely dwarfed by the magnitude of the tsunami...
Or the Dresden air raids or the Tet offensive, or Hiroshima/Nagasaki. or Gulf War I & II (depleted uranium, anyone?)... all these operations were indiscrimanately and delibarately employed to instill terror on the civilian poulation.
Lets face it, the American government has caused way more destruction than al-Qaeda or whatever could ever dream of inflicting.
But, I digress... Dimebags death was tragic, but lets keep it in perspective. American culture is steeped in violence and guns; this is merely symptomatic of a larger problem that will likely never be resolved, indeed, it will most likely worsen; the more acts of violence one witnesses, the more numbed to it one becomes; I always found it rather bizzarre that in America, it is alright for children to see movies or play video games which graphically depict death and murder, yet a bare breast or ass is forbidden, a complete taboo.
What does that tell you about our collective values?
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deathkvlt wrote:
Stop the bitchin' guys; I live in Mexico (3rd world) and we have like 10 murders every day, 70% of the people I know have been subject to crime activities and we're the second or third largest city in the world; I can't think of ONE day, there's not someone dead in the news; you should be grateful for living in such secure countries.


Youre right up there with us in the States.
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quote="lameduck"]though, the death by firearms of a metal musician on stage in the USA is somewhat of a sympton of the illness of american society as described in Michael Moore's Bowling For Columbine...



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Dont start me on micheal Moore or is it Micheal Whore,The maker of lies and deceptions I have already had this out on another non music related website.


http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

http://www.mooreexposed.com/

http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

http://moorelies.com/

He try to make Charlton Heston look like a fool.And for that Moses should part his red sea.



Fuck Charlton Heston; whats the matter, feeble Moses can't handle a couple of questions about GUN CONTROL? MM was very polite in his questioning and poor Heston had him escorted out like a fucking cunt; guess he isn't used to people not kissing his skinny ass, what a pussy... and how are they lies when they are documented news/film clips?
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valefor wrote:
Jaden wrote:
I'll get flamed for saying this, but it's eating away at me.

Dimebag was just a guy. I suppose he was a pretty cool guy, but he was no Mother Teresa. He was a good guitarist who player in a couple mediocre bands. He died, and it's sad, but come on. Look at the Tsunami, wiping out hundreds of thousands of people. I think that's a little more important than Dimebag. I mean, who actually listens Damage Plan? It sucks when someone dies (unless they deserved it, which he did not), but this whole thing was blown out of preportion, and I think we can drop it already. I just get annoyed when tragic events get blown out of preportion (like 9/11; the media dragged that on for like two years).


Gonna have to agree with you here... actually the media here in the States are still dragging out 9/11, though less so after the tsunami.
After all, it would look pretty stupid, since 9/11 is completely dwarfed by the magnitude of the tsunami...
Or the Dresden air raids or the Tet offensive, or Hiroshima/Nagasaki. or Gulf War I & II (depleted uranium, anyone?)... all these operations were indiscrimanately and delibarately employed to instill terror on the civilian poulation.
Lets face it, the American government has caused way more destruction than al-Qaeda or whatever could ever dream of inflicting.
But, I digress... Dimebags death was tragic, but lets keep it in perspective. American culture is steeped in violence and guns; this is merely symptomatic of a larger problem that will likely never be resolved, indeed, it will most likely worsen; the more acts of violence one witnesses, the more numbed to it one becomes; I always found it rather bizzarre that in America, it is alright for children to see movies or play video games which graphically depict death and murder, yet a bare breast or ass is forbidden, a complete taboo.
What does that tell you about our collective values?
V.


I totally agree with you. by the way, here in Europe it's forbidden to show movies with lots of violence before 11 o' clock (at least here). no one ever makes a problem when someone says "fuck" on television though, or would show whatever. Steve 'o from jackass once nailed hit balls to his leg at 8 :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:19 pm 
The Immortal Emokid wrote:

the real good solution would be to have a government for the whole planet... unfortunately, it's not going in our lifetimes...


That's an interesting thought, but sadly, religion will always stand in the way of worldwide unity.


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Mike @ MetalReviews wrote:
The Immortal Emokid wrote:

the real good solution would be to have a government for the whole planet... unfortunately, it's not going in our lifetimes...


That's an interesting thought, but sadly, religion will always stand in the way of worldwide unity.


It does seem be a divisive factor, doesn't it?
I am afraid world peace will only be acheived after humans wipe each other out, if history is any indicator.
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Gast1 wrote:
valefor wrote:
Jaden wrote:
I'll get flamed for saying this, but it's eating away at me.

Dimebag was just a guy. I suppose he was a pretty cool guy, but he was no Mother Teresa. He was a good guitarist who player in a couple mediocre bands. He died, and it's sad, but come on. Look at the Tsunami, wiping out hundreds of thousands of people. I think that's a little more important than Dimebag. I mean, who actually listens Damage Plan? It sucks when someone dies (unless they deserved it, which he did not), but this whole thing was blown out of preportion, and I think we can drop it already. I just get annoyed when tragic events get blown out of preportion (like 9/11; the media dragged that on for like two years).


Gonna have to agree with you here... actually the media here in the States are still dragging out 9/11, though less so after the tsunami.
After all, it would look pretty stupid, since 9/11 is completely dwarfed by the magnitude of the tsunami...
Or the Dresden air raids or the Tet offensive, or Hiroshima/Nagasaki. or Gulf War I & II (depleted uranium, anyone?)... all these operations were indiscrimanately and delibarately employed to instill terror on the civilian poulation.
Lets face it, the American government has caused way more destruction than al-Qaeda or whatever could ever dream of inflicting.
But, I digress... Dimebags death was tragic, but lets keep it in perspective. American culture is steeped in violence and guns; this is merely symptomatic of a larger problem that will likely never be resolved, indeed, it will most likely worsen; the more acts of violence one witnesses, the more numbed to it one becomes; I always found it rather bizzarre that in America, it is alright for children to see movies or play video games which graphically depict death and murder, yet a bare breast or ass is forbidden, a complete taboo.
What does that tell you about our collective values?
V.


I totally agree with you. by the way, here in Europe it's forbidden to show movies with lots of violence before 11 o' clock (at least here). no one ever makes a problem when someone says "fuck" on television though, or would show whatever. Steve 'o from jackass once nailed hit balls to his leg at 8 :D



By balls, you mean his sac??? What the fuck...
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Gast1 wrote:
make that selfcrowned... america has by far the most nuclear weapons...


The INCREASE( not the principal ) in the budget going to the pentagon over the past four years is more than what the rest of the world combined spent on its military... the Iraq fiasco is not even a dent in the U.S. arsenal; though I hear Russia and China are conducting joint military excercises, and Russia is also beefing up their military, though nowhere near what the U.S. is doing.
The U.S. gov. knows that it cannot stretch the military with a minor war like Iraq; N. Korea, China. Iran and in the case of Iran potentially Russia loom before us; in the next fifteen-twenty years, if not sooner, their is going to be a major war, as the worlds resources (OIL) became more and more scarce; all of these countries know it, mark my words...


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:25 pm 
I don't believe in censorship, but I can understand that certain things young children see, may influence them. It's the parents responsibility to keep them from that content until they are mature enough to make their own decisions.

I agree that violence is much worse than nudity. For children anyway (since that's the only people we have to worry about; if you're an adult and you're bothered by violence, nudity, or course language in a movie, you're an ignorant pussy). If a kid sees a pair of tits, what's he going to do? What could that possibly do to a child? I think the only reason nudity is restricted so much is because parents (especially fathers) feel really akward when their child sees or says anything sexual. Violence, however, on someone under the age of 12, can have a negative effect. An argument could be made for coarse language as well, but most kids know about "fuck". I was using "fuck" by grade 2.


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