Megadeth - Endgame (#5694)

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

rio wrote:

Goat wrote:

Why can't I bash Dave's 'personal choices'? In this case, the subject does affect the music because it's in the lyrics. Ie, is pertinent. I never bashed his religious choices, just the fact that he believes all this conspiracy bullshit, and there are plenty of professional reviewers who would be more than happy to do the same.

Agreed... it is nonsense to say that reviewers should just politely shut up about musicians that talk a lot of loony crap. Sure, maybe a lot of people don't care about all that stuff if the music is good, but plenty of people do, and for good reasons.

Prove to me that it's conspiracy. Prove to me that Dave is loony. You can't, because it's just your opinion. You have no facts, thus it's ignorant to say said things about him. It seems you just want to give your opinion, which is cool, but you're a hypocrite for bashing Dave's opinions. You are the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, you get the idea. Just because someone doesn't share the same beliefs or opinions as you doesn't mean said person is crazy or stupid, and hence should not be called so, especially in a publication that thousands of people read. It's called professionalism, and that review lost it. :lame:

Melodicmetal1 · **Joined:** Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:29 pm **Posts:** 7

Holy_Terror wrote:

TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:

Lucifer's Son wrote:

Goat wrote:

That's far too harsh.

Let's face it, Mustaine is retarded and his music equally is. And all that "back to my thrash roots" bullshit is just a way to earn more $, not an artistic statement. Plus, it's a lie, Megadeth has never been a thrash band and will never be one.

And Slayer were never Thrash but Death Metal, because most of their songs are containing Death Metal Riffs... :rolleyes:

;)

Thrash is more than the riffs and the (actually Punk) drumming. Thrash is also how the singing is and the distortion degree of the guitars. The very same riff can be classic Heavy Metal and Thrash Metal - it depends how the guitar sounds. E.G.. The classic Iron Maiden galloping riff (e.g.: Caught Somewhere in Time) played with a more distorted guitar (like on Conjuring or Endgame Title Track) could be considered as Thrash. Also has thrash metal a not so melodic singing like normal Metal.

And if you mix thrash metal guitars and riffs with melodic singing of Heavy Metal, you get US Power Metal like Iced Earth.

While I agree with certain things that you've said....I still don't think that Megadeth is thrash metal, nor has it ever been.

And the claim that Dave Mustaine can back up the claim that he is one of the best all time is pure fucking nonesence. Paco de Lucia would run circles around his stupid born again ass. So would Andres Segovia, Uli Jon Roth, Michael Schenker, Charlie Steinhauer, Lee Altus, Gary Holt, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Pssst Iced Earth are Canadian

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:00 pm

iviustang50h wrote:

rio wrote:

Goat wrote:

Why can't I bash Dave's 'personal choices'? In this case, the subject does affect the music because it's in the lyrics. Ie, is pertinent. I never bashed his religious choices, just the fact that he believes all this conspiracy bullshit, and there are plenty of professional reviewers who would be more than happy to do the same.

Agreed... it is nonsense to say that reviewers should just politely shut up about musicians that talk a lot of loony crap. Sure, maybe a lot of people don't care about all that stuff if the music is good, but plenty of people do, and for good reasons.

Prove to me that it's conspiracy. Prove to me that Dave is loony. You can't, because it's just your opinion. You have no facts, thus it's ignorant to say said things about him. It seems you just want to give your opinion, which is cool, but you're a hypocrite for bashing Dave's opinions. You are the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, you get the idea. Just because someone doesn't share the same beliefs or opinions as you doesn't mean said person is crazy or stupid, and hence should not be called so, especially in a publication that thousands of people read. :lame:

Um. Fundies deserve nothing but ridicule and criticism from anyone who considers themselves a rational human being.

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

FrigidSymphony wrote:

iviustang50h wrote:

rio wrote:

Goat wrote:

Why can't I bash Dave's 'personal choices'? In this case, the subject does affect the music because it's in the lyrics. Ie, is pertinent. I never bashed his religious choices, just the fact that he believes all this conspiracy bullshit, and there are plenty of professional reviewers who would be more than happy to do the same.

Agreed... it is nonsense to say that reviewers should just politely shut up about musicians that talk a lot of loony crap. Sure, maybe a lot of people don't care about all that stuff if the music is good, but plenty of people do, and for good reasons.

Prove to me that it's conspiracy. Prove to me that Dave is loony. You can't, because it's just your opinion. You have no facts, thus it's ignorant to say said things about him. It seems you just want to give your opinion, which is cool, but you're a hypocrite for bashing Dave's opinions. You are the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, you get the idea. Just because someone doesn't share the same beliefs or opinions as you doesn't mean said person is crazy or stupid, and hence should not be called so, especially in a publication that thousands of people read. :lame:

Um. Fundies deserve nothing but ridicule and criticism from anyone who considers themselves a rational human being.

That's your opinion, and mine is that it's a stupid, ignorant opinion; probably one formed out of fear, since those type of people seem to scare you. Pathetic! Oh, and, ah...where's your proof? Oh that's right, you have none, but you speak out anyway. Again - pathetic!

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:03 pm

iviustang50h wrote:

Prove to me that it's conspiracy. Prove to me that Dave is loony. You can't, because it's just your opinion. You have no facts, thus it's ignorant to say said things about him. It seems you just want to give your opinion, which is cool, but you're a hypocrite for bashing Dave's opinions. You are the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, you get the idea. Just because someone doesn't share the same beliefs or opinions as you doesn't mean said person is crazy or stupid, and hence should not be called so, especially in a publication that thousands of people read. :lame:

We're pointing out the lack of conspiracies, genius. I'm sorry, but the 9/11 "inside job" bullshit has been proven to be bullshit time and time again, and anyone that still believes that the US government wilfully caused it are either completely fucking stupid or are crazy. The truth IS out there, in this case, and whilst MR does indeed have a widespread readership that we're very thankful for, hopefully the vast majority of said readers are intelligent human beings rather than 9/11 truthers.

Reviews are, at the end of the day, one person's opinion on a piece of music, and as such all facets should be taken into consideration. There are people out there who would be put off Endgame by Dave's nonsense and they deserve to be told whether an album contains such silliness as much as they do if it's NS.

Now can we get back to the music?

The Evil Dead · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:06 pm

I really like the guitar work on this album, but is there any reason why Glen Drover isn't on board? I thought he worked well on UA.

Goat wrote:

There are people out there who would be put off Endgame by Dave's nonsense and they deserve to be told whether an album contains such silliness as much as they do if it's NS.

I really doubt you'd find a single person that cared. At least a metalhead. Bill O'Reilly might take a shit.

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

Goat wrote:

iviustang50h wrote:

Prove to me that it's conspiracy. Prove to me that Dave is loony. You can't, because it's just your opinion. You have no facts, thus it's ignorant to say said things about him. It seems you just want to give your opinion, which is cool, but you're a hypocrite for bashing Dave's opinions. You are the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, you get the idea. Just because someone doesn't share the same beliefs or opinions as you doesn't mean said person is crazy or stupid, and hence should not be called so, especially in a publication that thousands of people read. :lame:

We're pointing out the lack of conspiracies, genius. I'm sorry, but the 9/11 "inside job" bullshit has been proven to be bullshit time and time again, and anyone that still believes that the US government wilfully caused it are either completely fucking stupid or are crazy. The truth IS out there, in this case, and whilst MR does indeed have a widespread readership that we're very thankful for, hopefully the vast majority of said readers are intelligent human beings rather than 9/11 truthers.

I never argued anything about that. In fact, I agree with you. I am talking about Dave Mustaine. I don't recall him saying 911 was an inside job...did I miss something?

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

The Evil Dead wrote:

I really like the guitar work on this album, but is there any reason why Glen Drover isn't on board? I thought he worked well on UA.

He left to pursue side projects.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:08 pm

iviustang50h wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

iviustang50h wrote:

rio wrote:

Goat wrote:

Why can't I bash Dave's 'personal choices'? In this case, the subject does affect the music because it's in the lyrics. Ie, is pertinent. I never bashed his religious choices, just the fact that he believes all this conspiracy bullshit, and there are plenty of professional reviewers who would be more than happy to do the same.

Agreed... it is nonsense to say that reviewers should just politely shut up about musicians that talk a lot of loony crap. Sure, maybe a lot of people don't care about all that stuff if the music is good, but plenty of people do, and for good reasons.

Prove to me that it's conspiracy. Prove to me that Dave is loony. You can't, because it's just your opinion. You have no facts, thus it's ignorant to say said things about him. It seems you just want to give your opinion, which is cool, but you're a hypocrite for bashing Dave's opinions. You are the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, you get the idea. Just because someone doesn't share the same beliefs or opinions as you doesn't mean said person is crazy or stupid, and hence should not be called so, especially in a publication that thousands of people read. :lame:

Um. Fundies deserve nothing but ridicule and criticism from anyone who considers themselves a rational human being.

That's your opinion, and mine is that it's a stupid, ignorant opinion; probably one formed out of fear, since those type of people seem to scare you. Pathetic! Oh, and, ah...where's your proof? Oh that's right, you have none, but you speak out anyway. Again - pathetic!

Fundamentalists are dangerous because their beliefs warp their perceptions of reality and their interaction with it. Fundamentalists deliberately remove themselves so far from scientific knowledge and rational thought that it's laughable. Fundamentalists are the ones who try to indoctrinate children with bullshit like "intelligent design". Don't give me this relativistic crap about "opinions".

The Evil Dead · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:09 pm

I don't remember Dave saying anything about 9/11 being an inside job, either. He just has some major critiques about our country.

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

FrigidSymphony wrote:

iviustang50h wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

iviustang50h wrote:

rio wrote:

Goat wrote:

Why can't I bash Dave's 'personal choices'? In this case, the subject does affect the music because it's in the lyrics. Ie, is pertinent. I never bashed his religious choices, just the fact that he believes all this conspiracy bullshit, and there are plenty of professional reviewers who would be more than happy to do the same.

Agreed... it is nonsense to say that reviewers should just politely shut up about musicians that talk a lot of loony crap. Sure, maybe a lot of people don't care about all that stuff if the music is good, but plenty of people do, and for good reasons.

Prove to me that it's conspiracy. Prove to me that Dave is loony. You can't, because it's just your opinion. You have no facts, thus it's ignorant to say said things about him. It seems you just want to give your opinion, which is cool, but you're a hypocrite for bashing Dave's opinions. You are the pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, you get the idea. Just because someone doesn't share the same beliefs or opinions as you doesn't mean said person is crazy or stupid, and hence should not be called so, especially in a publication that thousands of people read. :lame:

Um. Fundies deserve nothing but ridicule and criticism from anyone who considers themselves a rational human being.

That's your opinion, and mine is that it's a stupid, ignorant opinion; probably one formed out of fear, since those type of people seem to scare you. Pathetic! Oh, and, ah...where's your proof? Oh that's right, you have none, but you speak out anyway. Again - pathetic!

Fundamentalists are dangerous because their beliefs warp their perceptions of reality and their interaction with it. Fundamentalists deliberately remove themselves so far from scientific knowledge and rational thought that it's laughable. Fundamentalists are the ones who try to indoctrinate children with bullshit like "intelligent design". Don't give me this relativistic crap about "opinions".

Uh huh - riiiight. :lame:

If anything Dave's beliefs are more in line with America's Founding Father's than anything else. You know, the people who actually started this country. And it just so happens they were the type of people you just described. Perhaps you want this country to turn into a socialist or communist nation? You might think it's cool if everyone was just like you, but I don't think everyone else would want that.

Anyway, back to metal folks. :dio:

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:10 pm

The Evil Dead wrote:

I really like the guitar work on this album, but is there any reason why Glen Drover isn't on board? I thought he worked well on UA.

Didn't he make a statement about spending more time with family?

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I never argued anything about that. In fact, I agree with you. I am talking about Dave Mustaine. I don't recall him saying 911 was an inside job...did I miss something?

He quotes this Alex Jones tard pretty much word for word, which is enough, really.

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

The Evil Dead wrote:

I don't remember Dave saying anything about 9/11 being an inside job, either. He just has some major critiques about our country.

All right then, so then I have no disagreement with you.

The Evil Dead · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:11 pm

Also I think it's funny you guys are up in arms about this, but with all the " Hail Satan " and " Lets chop that bitch up " stuff we listen to doesn't really matter or warrant any conversation. Who cares what Dave's beliefs are? I like concept albums, or albums with a message, and if his are crazy, so what? It's his personal beliefs going into the music he creates. If it's all not true, I still think it makes for entertaining album material.

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

Goat wrote:

He quotes this Alex Jones tard pretty much word for word, which is enough, really.

If you say so. :rolleyes:

We can agree to disagree.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:13 pm

The Evil Dead wrote:

Also I think it's funny you guys are up in arms about this, but with all the " Hail Satan " and " Lets chop that bitch up " stuff we listen to doesn't really matter or warrant any conversation. Who cares what Dave's beliefs are? I like concept albums, or albums with a message, and if his are crazy, so what? It's his personal beliefs going into the music he creates.

Apart from those bands generally not believing in said bitchchoppyness or hailsatanness, and Dave believing said conspiracybullshittage? Well, as I said in the review, the upside is that Dave's performance is heartfelt, and that's where it really matters.

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

The Evil Dead wrote:

Also I think it's funny you guys are up in arms about this, but with all the " Hail Satan " and " Lets chop that bitch up " stuff we listen to doesn't really matter or warrant any conversation. Who cares what Dave's beliefs are? I like concept albums, or albums with a message, and if his are crazy, so what? It's his personal beliefs going into the music he creates. If it's all not true, I still think it makes for entertaining album material.

Agreed! And for what it's worth, the "Hail Satan" and "chop that bitch up" stuff is stupid in my opinion. For some reason there are groups of people who eat that crap up, though. To each their own I guess.

The Evil Dead · **Posted:** Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:14 pm

Goat wrote:

Apart from those bands generally not believing in said bitchchoppyness or hailsatanness, and Dave believing said conspiracybullshittage? Well, as I said in the review, the upside is that Dave's performance is heartfelt, and that's where it really matters.

Regardless, they're equally harmless. That's my point.

iviustang50h · **Joined:** Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:12 am **Posts:** 37

Goat wrote:

Well, as I said in the review, the upside is that Dave's performance is heartfelt, and that's where it really matters.

Now that I agree with. The musical performance on the album is awesome! :dio:

Melodicmetal1 · **Joined:** Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:29 pm **Posts:** 7

"Fundamentalists are dangerous because their beliefs warp their perceptions of reality and their interaction with it. Fundamentalists deliberately remove themselves so far from scientific knowledge and rational thought that it's laughable. Fundamentalists are the ones who try to indoctrinate children with bullshit like "intelligent design". Don't give me this relativistic crap about "opinions"."

So then I take it you are 100% against Islam. Since they do things like trick people with Mental Retardation to strap explosives to their chest to blow up innocent civilians to make their point?

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