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I'd probably place this in the lower 70s. For my money, this is the best Manson album. Good fun.

Hmmm. Was actually on a Manson kick a weekend or so ago. This has great songs but I don't think it competes with his earlier stuff in terms of an album as a whole. The album really has way too much filler, which seems to be the problem he has had as of late. 10 tracks and no more is all he needs.

Manson kicks some serious ass, but I think a compilation is a better way to appreciate his stuff. Don't overlook his early work, Rock N'Roll Nigger is a motherfucking CHOON!!

One of the best live performers I have ever seen. I would take a Manson show over some of my favorite bands. He commands the stage with a swagger unequaled. His voice is extremely powerful live and dominates most singers. He has some of the most bad ass lyrics I have ever heard like "Are you mother-fukin ready for the new shit", "I wasn't born with enough middle fingers", and "World spreads it's legs for another star". It's tough to top those lyrics as far as bad ass goes. I'm not a huge fan cause the albums of late only have a few really kick ass tunes a piece, but I could make a mixed disc of Manson and it would have like 15 of the coolest songs ever on it. I'll never forget having a surreal dream when I was younger with a giant sized Manson walking through my home town like MF'n Godzilla or something. That dude got to me and that's hard to do. Granted I was young, but he was legitimately creepy. I'll always go back to certain songs.

Cake and Sodomy was/is my tune. Compilations for real. We need that thread.

Can't tell if serious.

I think he is. I agree that he's great live, and so is Rammstein, both are very professional entertainers. I'd more fun seeing them than seeing... Mayhem. Maniac sucks ass live, at least in the show I saw like 6 years ago. He was very drunk and being and asshole. Hellhammer is a fine person though.

It was this part that kind of threw me off:

Yeah, me too, but I've to admit that "the world spreads it's legs for another star" it's hilarious.

Axel (Hellhammer) is a fine person, indeed. I don't remember much from when I met him quite a few years back but I do recall having a very good conversation with him, nonetheless.

Apparently it's not all that hard to do

How do I do the little box quote thing? Anyway, I was serious. I think those lyrics are awesome. I feel like I don't have enough middle fingers on a daily basis. Don't you? I think the reason it got to me was the way he just gets people to follow him. If you've ever seen him live, you would understand. He can really command a stage and a crowd and his voice was very strong both times that I saw him live. Another example is when I saw Gorgoroth. He had the whole crowd chanting and throwing their hands into the air in satanic praise. It seemed very powerful. I was trippin on mushrooms at the time so maybe he didn't actually crawl out of a dirt stage like a zombie like I remember, but it was one of the coolest experiences I ever had. Dead by Morning played right before them and he looked like he was spitting blood while he sang. Milwaukee Metalfest RIP. It was bad ass. I am a nihilist so I listen to that type of music for the dark atmosphere and feelings it creates. I listen to Helloween for the opposite reason. Not because I believe in any of that hocus pocus BS like satan or god or whatever, but because I like to entertain the ideas they suggest and embrace the feelings they convey. My mind races when I sleep and sometimes creates dark little fantasies like murder, zombies, or apparently giant rock stars wading through the Mississippi river reeking havoc on small towns in the midwest.

Doing shrooms in a crowded place isn't very healthy.

We made mushroom tea at the Hotel beforehand so I was peaking during Gorgoroth. I was coming down during Cradle though. Yeah, crowds are strange when trippin. My friend had to leave during Dead by Morning. He was freakin out a bit. Man was that Hotel a dump. The TV was stuck on the porn channel with a repeating PPV commercial. It was hilarious at first, but it became annoying really quick. There was some other really weird stuff about that hotel, but I don't think anyone would believe me so I wont even mention it. Crazy fun weekend though.

Wish I took enough drugs for Manson to be worth listening to.

The live show is what matters regarding Manson.

I like Manson just fine and it's not because of drugs or live shows.

Well...ok, maybe drugs.

Manson always struck me as a guy who's concepts were too far beyond his song writing ability. He has some great tunes out there, but no album is very strong as a whole because of all the random crap he puts in there. Portrait for an American Family was really good, and Mechanical Animals hit the commercial vein perfectly.