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 Post subject: Through the Eyes of the Dead - Bloodlust (#2952)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:17 pm 
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Through the Eyes of the Dead - Bloodlust
Hardcore/REAL Melodic Death Metal
Quoted: 75 / 100


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:31 pm 
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Check out the future of what metal has in store for us in the U.S.


Fuck, I hope not.

The problem is with metalcore, a million bands playing the same music, some marginally better than others. Is it really worth bothering?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:16 pm 
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Check out the future of what metal has in store for us in the U.S.


Fuck, I hope not.

The problem is with metalcore, a million bands playing the same music, some marginally better than others. Is it really worth bothering?


Yeah, and the issue you speak of is addressed in the review I believe because I knew this album would get alot of flack from people who probably haven't even heard it (Not saying you necessarily).


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Luckily, I already know the band sucks, so the fact that you used this review as a soapbox for a metalcore rant instead of a means to describe the album doesn't really bother me much. However, Hardcore/REAL melodic death metal? Real you say? Thanks for laying that down for us, but I'm pretty sure real melodic death doesn't have hardcore influences.


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Hmm... that came off quite rude. Well, I suppose it's admirable you at least tried to build up the good of metalcore to brace people for another copycat. But, that all should've been an into to an actual review.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:21 pm 
There's a reason I added a slash between hardcore and melodic death. I was commenting on them as two seperate entities. I said REAL melodic death, because thats what it is, not the Gothenburg trend we have been hearing all over the world as of late.

And yes, you were quite rude in your initial response. The whole point of the big lead up to the actual review was because purists tend to dismiss most metalcore as shit without even listening to it. I wanted to be thorough with this review, to give this album a chance without damning it as run of the mill metalcore, which it is not. I'm sorry you did not like it.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:25 pm 
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Don't be sorry. You don't owe me shit. I just think you should've talked about the album more.

Also, real melodic death metal, and not the Gothenburg trend? I thought the Gothenburg trend was the trend of those forefather's outta Sweden tending to sound the same, which gave Swedish (Melodic) Death Metal something distinct, which all said forefather's had, which related them, thus Gothenburg trend. Gothenburg is a Swedish thing. "Metalcore," the term for hardcore bands imitating the concise, punchy, 2nd school of melodic death metal style, would have done the job just as well. Unfortunately, as fun as it is to say, "Hey, they aren't like Slaughter of the Soul, they're like The Red in the Sky is Ours," but remember, metalcore=Hardcore/Melodic Death Metal, and any grittiness that might make them seem old school can fall under the Hardcore half, thus validating Metalcore as their genre. Sure as hell beats something confusing like hXc/REAL MDM.


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I thought this was Bloodlust the Bay Area power thrash group that reformed....guess not. What a disappointment.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:28 pm 
OurFinestCoward wrote:
Don't be sorry. You don't owe me shit. I just think you should've talked about the album more.

Also, real melodic death metal, and not the Gothenburg trend? I thought the Gothenburg trend was the trend of those forefather's outta Sweden tending to sound the same, which gave Swedish (Melodic) Death Metal something distinct, which all said forefather's had, which related them, thus Gothenburg trend. Gothenburg is a Swedish thing. "Metalcore," the term for hardcore bands imitating the concise, punchy, 2nd school of melodic death metal style, would have done the job just as well. Unfortunately, as fun as it is to say, "Hey, they aren't like Slaughter of the Soul, they're like The Red in the Sky is Ours," but remember, metalcore=Hardcore/Melodic Death Metal, and any grittiness that might make them seem old school can fall under the Hardcore half, thus validating Metalcore as their genre. Sure as hell beats something confusing like hXc/REAL MDM.


I think I might have been confused by what you said, but I will take a stab at it: Gothenburg is merely a title for that specific form of aggressive metal that has formulated over the years in Sweden. If you listen to Dissection, Cryptopsy, or Amon Amarth, their version of melodic death is MUCH different than current (and in most cases, the old too) In Flames, At the Gates, Soilwork and Dark Tranquillity. Therefore, I can conclude that Gothenburg is not the same thing as melodic death metal, it isn't even death metal in many cases.

And the definition of Swedish Death Metal cannot be formulated specifically as melodic death metal as there are bands that are considered part of the Swedish Death Metal movement that are not melodic in nature (i.e. Entombed).

With all this said, my point with the genre identification was a valid one. Many times people claim that Metalcore is a mix between Hardcore and Melodic Death, when in reality it is usually a mix between Hardcore and Gothenburg. Gothenburg does NOT equal melodic death. It was my intention to seperate Through the Eyes of the Dead from the standard pack of Gothenburg influenced core bands, because they do not sound like them. Also, metalcore does not necessarily have to have either melodic death OR Gothenburg to make it metalcore. Every Time I Die has no death metal ties, Lamb of God (which I don't consider metalcore, but many do) takes a groove-based approach to their music, A Life Once Lost is undefinable, The Dillinger Escape Plan is more progressive in nature and The Red Chord is more grind-based than death metal.

I felt if I did not specify what I was talking about (and you can obviously tell I could have made it alot longer), people would have just assumed it was another copy cat.


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Toe-May-Toe/Toe-Mah-Toe

New point of interest:

I've heard all of the bands you mention there. Out of curiosity, which ALOL albums have you delved into? I wouldn't call them undefinable.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:07 am 
OurFinestCoward wrote:
Toe-May-Toe/Toe-Mah-Toe

New point of interest:

I've heard all of the bands you mention there. Out of curiosity, which ALOL albums have you delved into? I wouldn't call them undefinable.


Primarily the first one and a bit of the second one, but not much. I heard they changed their sound alot on their latest record.


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So is this or is this not sloppily played thrashy melodic death metal overdosed on breakdowns?


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While I question the value of a 2 paragraph review.. the overview of the genre was decent.

It's too bad there isnt a way to express thoughts of the reviewers on genres and such without clogging up a review.

I would have prefered to read more about the actual album.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:32 pm 
good review, rekindled my metal core fire, for the time being anyway. i think i'll go listen to some Diecast :lol:


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Bands like The Black Dahlia Murder, A Life Once Lost, Every Time I Die, and The Red Chord are creating names for themselves from becoming stand out grindcore and death metal acts.


BDM = One of the only good Metalcore bands out there. Not Death Metal or Grindcore.

A Life Once Lost = Derivative Metalcore garbage. Not close to Death Metal or Grindcore in any conceivable way.

Every Time I Die = Pure shit. If you took a dump on the already crap A Life Once Lost, then this would be the result. Not Death Metal or Grindcore.

The Red Chord = Bah. They haven't impressed me. Still not Death Metal or Grindcore.


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Cody@MetalReviews.com wrote:
OurFinestCoward wrote:
Toe-May-Toe/Toe-Mah-Toe

New point of interest:

I've heard all of the bands you mention there. Out of curiosity, which ALOL albums have you delved into? I wouldn't call them undefinable.


Primarily the first one and a bit of the second one, but not much. I heard they changed their sound alot on their latest record.


What makes them undefinable? The fact that every word sounds like "ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOW?" I'm just curious.

Oh, and something I decided to ignore, but just can't anymore.

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If you listen to Dissection, Cryptopsy, or Amon Amarth, their version of melodic death is MUCH different than current (and in most cases, the old too) In Flames, At the Gates, Soilwork and Dark Tranquillity.


LOL, Cryptopsy = melodic death? Dissection = DEATH, period? First of all, almost all Swedish metal has a tint to it that relates it to it's home. But, I never said all Swedish Death is melodic, or "Gothenburg." Just so you know.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:51 pm 
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Bands like The Black Dahlia Murder, A Life Once Lost, Every Time I Die, and The Red Chord are creating names for themselves from becoming stand out grindcore and death metal acts.


BDM = One of the only good Metalcore bands out there. Not Death Metal or Grindcore.

A Life Once Lost = Derivative Metalcore garbage. Not close to Death Metal or Grindcore in any conceivable way.

Every Time I Die = Pure shit. If you took a dump on the already crap A Life Once Lost, then this would be the result. Not Death Metal or Grindcore.

The Red Chord = Bah. They haven't impressed me. Still not Death Metal or Grindcore.


????? I don't even know how to respond to this...


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Cody@MetalReviews.com wrote:
Legacy Of The Night wrote:
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Bands like The Black Dahlia Murder, A Life Once Lost, Every Time I Die, and The Red Chord are creating names for themselves from becoming stand out grindcore and death metal acts.


BDM = One of the only good Metalcore bands out there. Not Death Metal or Grindcore.

A Life Once Lost = Derivative Metalcore garbage. Not close to Death Metal or Grindcore in any conceivable way.

Every Time I Die = Pure shit. If you took a dump on the already crap A Life Once Lost, then this would be the result. Not Death Metal or Grindcore.

The Red Chord = Bah. They haven't impressed me. Still not Death Metal or Grindcore.


????? I don't even know how to respond to this...
CAUSE ITS TROO


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:26 pm 
OurFinestCoward wrote:
Cody@MetalReviews.com wrote:
OurFinestCoward wrote:
Toe-May-Toe/Toe-Mah-Toe

New point of interest:

I've heard all of the bands you mention there. Out of curiosity, which ALOL albums have you delved into? I wouldn't call them undefinable.


Primarily the first one and a bit of the second one, but not much. I heard they changed their sound alot on their latest record.


What makes them undefinable? The fact that every word sounds like "ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOW?" I'm just curious.

Oh, and something I decided to ignore, but just can't anymore.

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If you listen to Dissection, Cryptopsy, or Amon Amarth, their version of melodic death is MUCH different than current (and in most cases, the old too) In Flames, At the Gates, Soilwork and Dark Tranquillity.


LOL, Cryptopsy = melodic death? Dissection = DEATH, period? First of all, almost all Swedish metal has a tint to it that relates it to it's home. But, I never said all Swedish Death is melodic, or "Gothenburg." Just so you know.


I am in no way saying Cryptopsy is a melodic death band, but they have their moments of melody (i.e. Phobofile is melodic from beginning to end, Crown of Thorns has melodic moments, Cold Hate, Warm Blood, amonst others. Plus their solos also take on a more traditional melodic form as opposed to most death metal).

Next, Dissection...are you kidding me? Dissection is chalk full of melody! In my opinion, its the melody in Dissection's music that makes their first two albums so memorable (not to mention the beautiful interludes).

And Amon Amarth is arguably viking metal, which could be true, but I also think they play some great melodic death metal.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:19 pm 
http://www.metalreviews.com/phpBB2/view ... hp?p=62978

Please go here and suggest questions for the interview we're going to conduct with Through the Eyes of the Dead.


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