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 Post subject: 'Megadeth - Endgame (#5694)'
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:44 pm 
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Megadeth - Endgame
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:55 pm 
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Best album since Youthanasia. I concur that it gets better with each listen. Great comeback! I also look forward to the new Slayer!


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Was anybody else strongly reminded of Judas Priest with Bite The Hand? Believe it or not, when I first heard that main riff, I expected to hear Halford screaming/screeching. But nope. It was just Mustaine growling/snarling.

Anyway, great review. But one small quibble. I would argue that, musically-speaking, Anthrax has probably been the most consistent of the Big Four. Granted, some of their releases were better than others. But, unlike the other three bands (with the exception of Slayer for me, but I know almost everybody here will disagree with that), Anthrax has never released a really bad album.

I'd give this album probably about an 85/100. Actually, I think I'd rank all Megadeth albums as follows:

Killing Is My Business - Haven't Heard
Peace Sells... But Who's Buying - 84/100
So Far, So Good, So What - Haven't Heard
Rust In Peace - 94/100
Countdown To Extinction - 84/100
Youthanasia - 88/100
Cryptic Writings - 85/100
Risk - 40/100
The World Needs A Hero - 70/100
The System Has Failed - 92/100
United Abominations - 80/100
Endgame - 85/100


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Anthrax? Not listened to them in a while, but Stomp 442 and Volume 8 are serious arguments against you there. Plus, you scored The System Has Failed over Countdown To Extinction and haven't heard SFSGSW or KIMB :wacko:

I should probably give the Anthrax discog another run-through, being fair. But this is about Megadeth. And Endgame is mos.def. the best album from them in years.


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Discussion of Endgame will be right back after these messages.

Hey, you can't deny that Random Acts Of Senseless Violence, Fueled, Nothing and American Pompeii kicked ass! And Bare was a pretty decent ballad, even though at the end it started to sound like an Alice In Chains song (not to diss AIC, of course!).

Volume 8 I'll admit I haven't heard (yet). But I know a lot of people like it.

And now, back to our discussion.


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Is it better than Death Magnetic? It's like in the 80s. Is Peace Sells better than Master of Puppets? Is Rust in Peace better than And Justice for all? What I can say is that the production IS indeed better, but the songs are different. DM has more epic long Thrasher, while Endgame has more compact Thrasher. It's like comparing Hell Awaits with Reign in Blood. Both have some points and in the end, personal taste wins. :wink:

PS.: For a better listening, try the Guitar Hero Version of Death Magnetic.


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Death Magnetic is a mish-mash of great ideas. I find myself constantly being jolted from my enjoyment of that album because of dynamic shifts that seem so unnatural. The band had tons of great ideas, but instead of jamming out great songs, they simply used Pro Tools to cut and paste all those ideas into something that could pass as a song. It's fucking lazy songwriting.

It works, sure, but it's not that great. Hardly any of the transitions are smooth; they're abrupt and awkward. A solid album, really good even, but nothing like Endgame, which is a smooth and concise album; everything feels right. It's a collection of real songs, written as whole works of art.

Death Magnetic is good. Endgame is great.


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Was anybody else strongly reminded of Judas Priest with Bite The Hand? Believe it or not, when I first heard that main riff, I expected to hear Halford screaming/screeching. But nope. It was just Mustaine growling/snarling.

Anyway, great review. But one small quibble. I would argue that, musically-speaking, Anthrax has probably been the most consistent of the Big Four. Granted, some of their releases were better than others. But, unlike the other three bands (with the exception of Slayer for me, but I know almost everybody here will disagree with that), Anthrax has never released a really bad album.

I'd give this album probably about an 85/100. Actually, I think I'd rank all Megadeth albums as follows:

Killing Is My Business - Haven't Heard
Peace Sells... But Who's Buying - 84/100
So Far, So Good, So What - Haven't Heard
Rust In Peace - 94/100
Countdown To Extinction - 84/100
Youthanasia - 88/100
Cryptic Writings - 85/100
Risk - 40/100
The World Needs A Hero - 70/100
The System Has Failed - 92/100
United Abominations - 80/100
Endgame - 85/100


I was taking you seriously and thinking you had some credibility on the subject of Megadeth (even after the Anthrax comments...) until you said you haven't heard KIMB or SFSGSW. So, you need to stop, go listen to those and then write your posts about Megadeth. Until then, you can not be taken seriously.


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Death Magnetic is a mish-mash of great ideas. I find myself constantly being jolted from my enjoyment of that album because of dynamic shifts that seem so unnatural. The band had tons of great ideas, but instead of jamming out great songs, they simply used Pro Tools to cut and paste all those ideas into something that could pass as a song. It's fucking lazy songwriting.

It works, sure, but it's not that great. Hardly any of the transitions are smooth; they're abrupt and awkward. A solid album, really good even


That perfectly describes what I feel about DM . As for Endgame, 91/100? I thought it would get a score somewhere in the 80s. I am now even more eager to get this album.


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TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
Is it better than Death Magnetic? It's like in the 80s. Is Peace Sells better than Master of Puppets? Is Rust in Peace better than And Justice for all? What I can say is that the production IS indeed better, but the songs are different. DM has more epic long Thrasher, while Endgame has more compact Thrasher. It's like comparing Hell Awaits with Reign in Blood. Both have some points and in the end, personal taste wins. :wink:

PS.: For a better listening, try the Guitar Hero Version of Death Magnetic.


Jesus, this is what I was talking about in the other post. No thrashing here. Get it right.

Pleasure to Kill = Thrashing.
Endgame = speed metal/ with hints of thrash.....at least on the songs that are fast.

Speed metal with hints of thrash does not equal thrashing. This is not hair splitting either. A "thrasher" by definition must contain more thrashing than not. I've heard the whole Endgame album, and I must say that there is very little thrashing going on here.

This is my nightmare :lame:


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I love this album and I'm very happy because Megadeth is one of my favorite bands and they are getting the praise they deserve. However, if I left This Day We Fight, 1320, Endgame and Headcrusher out I would probably hate it. Faster Megadeth is better Megadeth.

Death Magnetic didn't have any songs that were better than these, I agree, but the overall song quality on it was better. I would rate both about the same. Maybe DM a bit higher but not much.


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I think this new Megadeth sucks.
Nothing past the 1rst three albums ever grabbed me exept for Risk which wasn't a Megadeth album anyway.
I give it a 45.


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it was better when you didn't post


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DevotedWalnut wrote:
it was better when you didn't post


Seriously. When someone implies that Risk grabbed them at all... I mean, I dislike Load and Reload, but I would prefer to listen to each 20 times than to have to listen to Risk again.

Anyway, time to listen to this album! I haven't been a fan of Megadeth's past two- a few good songs on each and then a lot of boring. The positivity here makes me happy and excited.


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DevotedWalnut wrote:
it was better when you didn't post


Seriously. When someone implies that Risk grabbed them at all... I mean, I dislike Load and Reload, but I would prefer to listen to each 20 times than to have to listen to Risk again.

Anyway, time to listen to this album! I haven't been a fan of Megadeth's past two- a few good songs on each and then a lot of boring. The positivity here makes me happy and excited.


you shant be dissapointed methinks


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Brahm_K wrote:
a few good songs on each and then a lot of boring.


This is actually how I feel about every Megadeth album short of Peace Sells (which is an absolute classic). This one is no exception. The instrumental opener isn't anything special, although the 4 songs that follow it kick some serious ass. Then, back to filler in my opinion.


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Peace Sells > Rust in Peace


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Satan's Anus wrote:
Death Magnetic is a mish-mash of great ideas. I find myself constantly being jolted from my enjoyment of that album because of dynamic shifts that seem so unnatural. The band had tons of great ideas, but instead of jamming out great songs, they simply used Pro Tools to cut and paste all those ideas into something that could pass as a song. It's fucking lazy songwriting.

It works, sure, but it's not that great. Hardly any of the transitions are smooth; they're abrupt and awkward. A solid album, really good even, but nothing like Endgame, which is a smooth and concise album; everything feels right. It's a collection of real songs, written as whole works of art.

Death Magnetic is good. Endgame is great.

"You know how I know you're gay?" You think endgame is a work of art.

The transitions are smooth? Maybe thats because the whole thing blurs in together with its sameness. I like to refer to that as "boring"

I also get tired of turning everything Megadave does into a "VS METALLICA " argument. Metallica don't give a toss about Megadeth. The fact that Mustaine and his fans are still pre-occupied with trying to prove something to Metallica is just sad. Sad to the point of crying about it like Dave is too ashamed to admit he did on "Some Kind Of Monster"

For the record I think Endgame is instrumentally impressive. But I wouldn't call it a great album. I don't think more than 3 or 4 of the songs are at all memorable. Death Magnetic is irrelevant, this is United Abominations part 2, with a bit more wank and fewer hooks.


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IYO


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DevotedWalnut wrote:
IYO

So, is it your opinion that it is just my opinion? Because I disagree. In my opinion, my opinion is more than just my opinion. But thats just my opinion.


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