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 Post subject: 'Trivium - The Crusade (#3505)'
PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:20 pm 
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Trivium - The Crusade
Thrashy Heavy Metal
Quoted: 79 / 100


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:15 pm 
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Good Review Jason. I was not a fan of the band before this album either but it's good to see a mainstream act with a big label shed all this metal core trend stuff. With Crusade, Trivium turn into a total Thrash metal band like you said. Shredding guitar solos, cleanly sung vox devoid of shouts and screams, good stuff! 86/100 from me. Great album, but like Jason said not nearly as good as old Metallica albums despite a lot of similarity in sound. Way better than anything Metallica has done the last 15 years though. Hopefully an album like this can help open up the doors for some of the great underground metal acts to reach a wider audience........


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:35 pm 
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Good review, it's very interesting what you say about "authenticity".

I feel the very same way about it being missing, but I think it's very hard to get that feeling when the "hipness factor" surrounding a band is so high. So even if they were the most authentic sounding band on the planet, I probably still wouldn't hear it that way, because the environment in which they find themselves is such an inauthentic one (ie. the mainstream)


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You know I really don't understand all the hype about this band. I mean they have three albums out yet the way people talk about them both it makes it seem like they are demigods. The naysayers claim they're a blight on the map of music and should be wiped out while on the other side of the fence you have people claiming this is the best band to come out in the last ten years. I think The Crusade is a solid album, but nowhere near the "best album of the decade" shit I hear all over the place. It's something to pop in, work out to, (its also a good party cd) and that's about it. Seriously, everyone that rants about how bad this band is and also how they're God in fifty minutes of plastic are just wasting time. Give it a listen. If you like it, buy it. If you don't then forget about em and pop on something else that you enjoy. Like Overkill. You can't go wrong with Years Of Decay.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:06 pm 
Always great musically, suffered in the vocal department. The Crusade is a solid album, a great improvement.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:07 pm 
I first heard these guys while watching Headbangers Ball, and I was outright disgusted.. Fucking awful, I could barely watch the video in its entirety. But after seeing how many respectful metalfans actually hold these guys in high regard I decided to download some of the recommended tracks. I was pretty surprised, some of it is pretty good and thrashy! The two recommended tracks from this review are probably my favorites as well.

Anyway, I'm still undecided what my final thoughts are about this band.. Some of it I can't stand and some of it is rather enjoyable. I don't really want to disregard them just for being popular, quite the opposite. I hate it when people blow bands off just for being popular, but the problem is I find myself doing that sometimes too. I don't want to, but somehow I can't help feeling a bit filthy listening to it.

Something similar happened recently, I always enjoyed Lordi. I thought they were damn good, even when many friends claimed the opposite. When they won the eurovision thing I even voted for them! But after that, hearing Lordi mentioned everywhere and played over and over, I stopped listening to them. I don't know why, but I just can't really stand them anymore. I hate that.

Anyway, I'm rambling.. In short:
Bad songs, good songs, me undecided. :D


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:12 pm 
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Great review Jason, it was right on the nose. But this album didn't really live up to my expectations. Before Trivium came out with The Crusade, i told myself that they were either gonna have another emo/metalcore album or a really rockin' album that stood away from the emo/metalcore that all the harcore Trivium fans wanted. Although they did come out with a decently good album that confused the hardcore fans, i still feel they tried too hard. Don't get me wrong there's some pretty killer songs on the album but its not something i would go see or buy. 72/100 for me


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the reason those screams sound different, like on To The Rats and Becoming the Dragon, is because it is the other guitarist who is doing it. at least that is what ive heard.

totally solid album for me. 90/100


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What this means in terms of Trivium’s music is that though it may be pretty impressive, grandiose, and appealing to many people (meaning the population in general) the consequence is that their music lacks a sense of depth, authenticity, passion, heart or whatever you want to call it, that is apparent in almost all Metal and which makes it special.


This line sums up my thoughts on this band totally. They can play the instruments before them, no question. But it sounds like they are playing them to score pussy and make money. If someone has a true passion for music it almost always overshines everything else.

Take Strapping Young Lad for instance, Devin can sing about the most ridiculous thing, but it still sounds great because, to him at least, it means something. I really feel like the music these guys make doesn't mean anything to them.


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SilentEagle wrote:
the reason those screams sound different, like on To The Rats and Becoming the Dragon, is because it is the other guitarist who is doing it. at least that is what ive heard.

totally solid album for me. 90/100


According to the Metal Reviews rating system you think this album is a masterpiece. :rolleyes:


I still don't think this is anything special. Not bad by any means, but nothing fantastic. It doesn't do anything for me like say "Bloodbath, Helloween, Opeth, Napalm Death." Good review Jason. 64/100


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Hopefully an album like this can help open up the doors for some of the great underground metal acts to reach a wider audience........


Um...does nobody listen to me? Evile have just been signed to Earache and they bum off Mettallica aswell but they're not gay as fuck, they kick ass and they're English. I f anywayone's gonna opern doors it'll be them.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
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What this means in terms of Trivium’s music is that though it may be pretty impressive, grandiose, and appealing to many people (meaning the population in general) the consequence is that their music lacks a sense of depth, authenticity, passion, heart or whatever you want to call it, that is apparent in almost all Metal and which makes it special.


This line sums up my thoughts on this band totally. They can play the instruments before them, no question. But it sounds like they are playing them to score pussy and make money. If someone has a true passion for music it almost always overshines everything else.

Take Strapping Young Lad for instance, Devin can sing about the most ridiculous thing, but it still sounds great because, to him at least, it means something. I really feel like the music these guys make doesn't mean anything to them.

Word.

I think Trivium's songwriting process involves listening to an earlier metal band, thinking "hey that really worked well for them" and copying it.


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Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
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Hopefully an album like this can help open up the doors for some of the great underground metal acts to reach a wider audience........


Um...does nobody listen to me? Evile have just been signed to Earache and they bum off Mettallica aswell but they're not gay as fuck, they kick ass and they're English. I f anywayone's gonna opern doors it'll be them.


http://evile.co.uk/main.htm

Holy shit dude! THis is aweseome!


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metalNESS wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
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Hopefully an album like this can help open up the doors for some of the great underground metal acts to reach a wider audience........


Um...does nobody listen to me? Evile have just been signed to Earache and they bum off Mettallica aswell but they're not gay as fuck, they kick ass and they're English. I f anywayone's gonna opern doors it'll be them.


http://evile.co.uk/main.htm

Holy shit dude! THis is aweseome!


Oh child, you have much to learn. Look for Pitiful Reign, Mutant, Deadfall, Headless Cross and some other Uk thrash bands like Amok and Gama Bomb. It's all good shit.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:23 am 
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Evile are cool except why do all thrash bands have to get all lame once the vocals come in :(


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:25 am 
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Eternal Idol wrote:
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What this means in terms of Trivium’s music is that though it may be pretty impressive, grandiose, and appealing to many people (meaning the population in general) the consequence is that their music lacks a sense of depth, authenticity, passion, heart or whatever you want to call it, that is apparent in almost all Metal and which makes it special.


This line sums up my thoughts on this band totally. They can play the instruments before them, no question. But it sounds like they are playing them to score pussy and make money. If someone has a true passion for music it almost always overshines everything else.

Take Strapping Young Lad for instance, Devin can sing about the most ridiculous thing, but it still sounds great because, to him at least, it means something. I really feel like the music these guys make doesn't mean anything to them.

Word.

I think Trivium's songwriting process involves listening to an earlier metal band, thinking "hey that really worked well for them" and copying it.

I think you know absolutely nothing about music. Do you ever make sense?


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Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
metalNESS wrote:
Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
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Hopefully an album like this can help open up the doors for some of the great underground metal acts to reach a wider audience........


Um...does nobody listen to me? Evile have just been signed to Earache and they bum off Mettallica aswell but they're not gay as fuck, they kick ass and they're English. I f anywayone's gonna opern doors it'll be them.


http://evile.co.uk/main.htm

Holy shit dude! THis is aweseome!


Oh child, you have much to learn. Look for Pitiful Reign, Mutant, Deadfall, Headless Cross and some other Uk thrash bands like Amok and Gama Bomb. It's all good shit.


Yes, I do... about thrash that is.


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Eyesore wrote:
noodles wrote:
Eternal Idol wrote:
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What this means in terms of Trivium’s music is that though it may be pretty impressive, grandiose, and appealing to many people (meaning the population in general) the consequence is that their music lacks a sense of depth, authenticity, passion, heart or whatever you want to call it, that is apparent in almost all Metal and which makes it special.


This line sums up my thoughts on this band totally. They can play the instruments before them, no question. But it sounds like they are playing them to score pussy and make money. If someone has a true passion for music it almost always overshines everything else.

Take Strapping Young Lad for instance, Devin can sing about the most ridiculous thing, but it still sounds great because, to him at least, it means something. I really feel like the music these guys make doesn't mean anything to them.

Word.

I think Trivium's songwriting process involves listening to an earlier metal band, thinking "hey that really worked well for them" and copying it.

I think you know absolutely nothing about music. Do you ever make sense?

Yeah that comment was a little crude, but it doesn't sound like they're trying very hard to me.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:11 am 
noodles wrote:
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I think you know absolutely nothing about music. Do you ever make sense?

Yeah that comment was a little crude, but it doesn't sound like they're trying very hard to me.

I seriously question why you even listen to music? All you do is complain about EVERYTHING. Does that make sense to you?


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I liked this CD better than Ascendancy. I definitely liked it more than Jason does, but it's by no means anything incredible...85/100. I really like The Crusade (song), though--it's a classic for me.


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