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 Post subject: 'Crimson Glory - Transcendence (#5928)'
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:29 pm 
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Crimson Glory - Transcendence
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Quoted: 89 / 100


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This album should be a CLASSIC. One of my fav albums ever. If not a classic, at least deserves the masterpiece score, 89 isn't enuff. I agree with you that's a shame that very few metalheads are aware of this magnificent band. The self-titled is almost as awesome as Transcendence.


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Good album, I like the debut better though. Too much.....I don't know...pop flavor. Lonely is a great song, but they were looking for an Mtv hit with that song. Masque of the Red Death is a song I do not care for at all. The rest of the songs are quite good. Red Sharks though, man, that is one fucking awesome song. The debut has better material in my opinion. Azrael and Dragon Lady are the band's two best songs....both from the debut. Good band though, I liked a lot of Astronomica even though Wade Black is half the vocalist Midnight is. Too bad about Midnight, such a great talent, like many, lost to drug abuse.


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Nice one.
I have this and the s/t. Was just listening to the s/t the other night.
Melodic and very competent slice of Metal from my favorite era.


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Lady of Winter didn't amaze me but maybe I'll look into it down the road. I guess it didn't help that it was interrupting Zero Tolerance.


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AlexandeR wrote:
This album should be a CLASSIC. One of my fav albums ever. If not a classic, at least deserves the masterpiece score, 89 isn't enuff. I agree with you that's a shame that very few metalheads are aware of this magnificent band. The self-titled is almost as awesome as Transcendence.


X2 I agree this one should be a classic. I actually like this better than the first one and that's saying much because I like the first one a lot too.

Midnight was so underrated he deserved to be up there with the greats like Halford,Tate,etc.


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AlexandeR wrote:
This album should be a CLASSIC. One of my fav albums ever. If not a classic, at least deserves the masterpiece score, 89 isn't enuff. I agree with you that's a shame that very few metalheads are aware of this magnificent band. The self-titled is almost as awesome as Transcendence.


X2 I agree this one should be a classic. I actually like this better than the first one and that's saying much because I like the first one a lot too.

Midnight was so underrated he deserved to be up there with the greats like Halford,Tate,etc.


I agree too that this should be a classic! I was blown away and immediately hooked when I first heard it. A fantastic album and a big improvement over the first (which is also great!).


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Another vote for Classic status.


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Way ahead of their time. I don't think I've ever gone more than a couple of months or so without listening to something from Crimson....seriously.

And I started listening to them in 1983!!


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This one and the self tittle are both masterpieces, agreed that this should be a CLASSIC, other than that nice review Khelek, 95/100.


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Methinks this should've been the classic review for this week, instead of that White Zombie garbage.


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Methinks this should've been the classic review for this week, instead of that White Zombie garbage.


:dio: :dio: :dio:


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MetalStorm wrote:
TheOctavarius wrote:
Methinks this should've been the classic review for this week, instead of that White Zombie garbage.


:dio: :dio: :dio:


Back that up with a coherent argument and then we can talk. I can't find anything to support the claim that this album was as influential as that one...and just because you don't like White Zombie doesn't mean it isn't classic. There are plenty of albums I don't care for that should be and are considered classics.


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khelek@metalreviews.com wrote:
MetalStorm wrote:
TheOctavarius wrote:
Methinks this should've been the classic review for this week, instead of that White Zombie garbage.


:dio: :dio: :dio:


Back that up with a coherent argument and then we can talk. I can't find anything to support the claim that this album was as influential as that one...and just because you don't like White Zombie doesn't mean it isn't classic. There are plenty of albums I don't care for that should be and are considered classics.


I think albums that the majority enjoy and are aware of should be considered classics, rather than ones certain persons think had an impact. Prior to these couple of reviews, I had never even heard of White Zombie, not in 'thank you' lists of other bands or anything. White Zombie earning a classic review in place of an album that is widely treasured (and known) is just as ridiculous as Rigor Mortis earning one.

Classics are definitely subjective, and my views of what should and what shouldn't be differ greatly from yours. For example, I'm sure you would label KoRn's debut as a classic, whereas I would label it as garbage regardless.


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I agree with TheOctavarius 100%.


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TheOctavarius wrote:
khelek@metalreviews.com wrote:
MetalStorm wrote:
TheOctavarius wrote:
Methinks this should've been the classic review for this week, instead of that White Zombie garbage.


:dio: :dio: :dio:


Back that up with a coherent argument and then we can talk. I can't find anything to support the claim that this album was as influential as that one...and just because you don't like White Zombie doesn't mean it isn't classic. There are plenty of albums I don't care for that should be and are considered classics.


I think albums that the majority enjoy and are aware of should be considered classics, rather than ones certain persons think had an impact. Prior to these couple of reviews, I had never even heard of White Zombie, not in 'thank you' lists of other bands or anything. White Zombie earning a classic review in place of an album that is widely treasured (and known) is just as ridiculous as Rigor Mortis earning one.

Classics are definitely subjective, and my views of what should and what shouldn't be differ greatly from yours. For example, I'm sure you would label KoRn's debut as a classic, whereas I would label it as garbage regardless.


I find difficult to believe that you had never heard of White Zombie, but I agree with everything you said. In my perception, an album doesn't necessarily need to have huge impact to be a classic, it's the music what really cares. Anyway, it doesn't matter if there's 1000 posts voting for Transcendence as a classic, it's gonna stay as an archive review... because reviewers never accept they are wrong.


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AlexandeR wrote:
TheOctavarius wrote:
khelek@metalreviews.com wrote:
MetalStorm wrote:
TheOctavarius wrote:
Methinks this should've been the classic review for this week, instead of that White Zombie garbage.


:dio: :dio: :dio:


Back that up with a coherent argument and then we can talk. I can't find anything to support the claim that this album was as influential as that one...and just because you don't like White Zombie doesn't mean it isn't classic. There are plenty of albums I don't care for that should be and are considered classics.


I think albums that the majority enjoy and are aware of should be considered classics, rather than ones certain persons think had an impact. Prior to these couple of reviews, I had never even heard of White Zombie, not in 'thank you' lists of other bands or anything. White Zombie earning a classic review in place of an album that is widely treasured (and known) is just as ridiculous as Rigor Mortis earning one.

Classics are definitely subjective, and my views of what should and what shouldn't be differ greatly from yours. For example, I'm sure you would label KoRn's debut as a classic, whereas I would label it as garbage regardless.


I find difficult to believe that you had never heard of White Zombie, but I agree with everything you said. In my perception, an album doesn't necessarily need to have huge impact to be a classic, it's the music what really cares. Anyway, it doesn't matter if there's 1000 posts voting for Transcendence as a classic, it's gonna stay as an archive review... because reviewers never accept they are wrong.


Alas, you're quite right.

On the note of White Zombie having eluding me all these years, well... none of the genres I've extensively dabbled in -- power metal, death metal (starting with melodeath), post-rock and most recently, black metal, all in that order -- have led me to nor made any mention of White Zombie. So yeah...


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Hey, I'm notorious for my zen-like ability to examine my actions and accept wrongdoing.


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TheOctavarius wrote:
khelek@metalreviews.com wrote:
MetalStorm wrote:
TheOctavarius wrote:
Methinks this should've been the classic review for this week, instead of that White Zombie garbage.


:dio: :dio: :dio:


Back that up with a coherent argument and then we can talk. I can't find anything to support the claim that this album was as influential as that one...and just because you don't like White Zombie doesn't mean it isn't classic. There are plenty of albums I don't care for that should be and are considered classics.


I think albums that the majority enjoy and are aware of should be considered classics, rather than ones certain persons think had an impact. Prior to these couple of reviews, I had never even heard of White Zombie, not in 'thank you' lists of other bands or anything. White Zombie earning a classic review in place of an album that is widely treasured (and known) is just as ridiculous as Rigor Mortis earning one.

Classics are definitely subjective, and my views of what should and what shouldn't be differ greatly from yours. For example, I'm sure you would label KoRn's debut as a classic, whereas I would label it as garbage regardless.


Meh, never really listened to KoRn or cared to, so no I wouldn't consider it a classic, though it could have its merits, I'm not in a position to judge. White Zombie made waves in the metal world when Astro Creep came out and it was wildly popular (it's certified double platinum). Transcendence, and Crimson Glory in general, as I mentioned in the review, is still unknown by many metalheads (one of the reasons I was eager to write this review). At least in my experience not many have heard of them. Sure there are devoted fans, but I would think those are few and far between.

And if you're claiming that Astro Creep isn't "widely treasured (and known)" by those in the metal community, well, you're wrong.


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Hey, I'm notorious for my zen-like ability to examine my actions and accept wrongdoing.


Hence why you and I never have any arguments, I guess.

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And if you're claiming that Astro Creep isn't "widely treasured (and known)" by those in the metal community, well, you're wrong.


Treasured by whom and which communities in specific? This is the only place where I've seen White Zombie discussed, or even remotely treasured. Maybe on some Rob Zombie ass-kissing forum, which is a place I wouldn't think about visiting. Furthermore, Crimson Glory is one of the first bands I found, other than Gamma Ray and Blind Guardian. If they're unknown by most metalheads, then I suppose most metalheads or either retarded, or don't have very good taste in music.


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