Falconer - Grime vs. Grandeur (#2782)

Anonymous · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 4:03 pm

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Falconer - Grime vs. Grandeur
Power Metal
Quoted: 58 / 100

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WinterIsComing · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am **Posts:** 1025

these reviews are getting annoying, why give a CD to review to somebody who doesn't really appreciate the music? 58/100, yet Pyramaze is 97/100 ridiculous.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

WinterIsComing wrote:

these reviews are getting annoying, why give a CD to review to somebody who doesn't really appreciate the music? 58/100, yet Pyramaze is 97/100 ridiculous.

Ben spends most of the first paragraph talking about how great another album of Falconer's was.

This is why you should read the reviews: So you don't look like an idiot.

Ben wrote:

I remember when this band first reared their head back in 2000. That self titled debut was a monster of a Power Metal album filled with medieval influences and had the soaring, emotive, rich, unique voice of Mattias Blad. I still stand by my opinion of songs like Wings of Serenity and Mindtraveller being some high class grade A metal.

WinterIsComing · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am **Posts:** 1025

you missed this gem:

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The last time I heard Falconer was with Sceptre of Deception and that album left me cold and indifferent. I hate to pick on Kristoffer Gobel, while he is a talented singer he simply cannot fill the shoes of Mattias Blad, no one can. Stefan Weinerhall also tried to tackle on way too much with that album with his intricate concept thread and I felt that Sceptre was just a pedestrian release, one that has not been played in quite some time

To me as well as most Falconer fans, Sceptre of Deception was just as awesome as their first 2 albums. I am so tired of scores that are either way too high or way too low.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

WinterIsComing wrote:

you missed this gem:

Quote:

The last time I heard Falconer was with Sceptre of Deception and that album left me cold and indifferent. I hate to pick on Kristoffer Gobel, while he is a talented singer he simply cannot fill the shoes of Mattias Blad, no one can. Stefan Weinerhall also tried to tackle on way too much with that album with his intricate concept thread and I felt that Sceptre was just a pedestrian release, one that has not been played in quite some time

To me as well as most Falconer fans, Sceptre of Deception was just as awesome as their first 2 albums. I am so tired of scores that are either way too high or way too low.

Oh wow, you decided to actually read the review instead of just looking at the score for once. By all the gods of asgard, I am surprised.

Ok, so... his opinion differs from most people who enjoy Falconer... so he is 'unfit' to review a Falconer disc? And yet, he still enjoyed some CDs of theirs, and has a great liking for power metal?

No logic. No logic what-so-ever.

WinterIsComing · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am **Posts:** 1025

Dead Machine wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

you missed this gem:

Quote:

The last time I heard Falconer was with Sceptre of Deception and that album left me cold and indifferent. I hate to pick on Kristoffer Gobel, while he is a talented singer he simply cannot fill the shoes of Mattias Blad, no one can. Stefan Weinerhall also tried to tackle on way too much with that album with his intricate concept thread and I felt that Sceptre was just a pedestrian release, one that has not been played in quite some time

To me as well as most Falconer fans, Sceptre of Deception was just as awesome as their first 2 albums. I am so tired of scores that are either way too high or way too low.

Oh wow, you decided to actually read the review instead of just looking at the score for once. By all the gods of asgard, I am surprised.

Ok, so... his opinion differs from most people who enjoy Falconer... so he is 'unfit' to review a Falconer disc? And yet, he still enjoyed some CDs of theirs, and has a great liking for power metal?

No logic. No logic what-so-ever.

no logic? are you a moron?

Ness · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 5:06 pm

WinterIsComing wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

you missed this gem:

Quote:

The last time I heard Falconer was with Sceptre of Deception and that album left me cold and indifferent. I hate to pick on Kristoffer Gobel, while he is a talented singer he simply cannot fill the shoes of Mattias Blad, no one can. Stefan Weinerhall also tried to tackle on way too much with that album with his intricate concept thread and I felt that Sceptre was just a pedestrian release, one that has not been played in quite some time

To me as well as most Falconer fans, Sceptre of Deception was just as awesome as their first 2 albums. I am so tired of scores that are either way too high or way too low.

Oh wow, you decided to actually read the review instead of just looking at the score for once. By all the gods of asgard, I am surprised.

Ok, so... his opinion differs from most people who enjoy Falconer... so he is 'unfit' to review a Falconer disc? And yet, he still enjoyed some CDs of theirs, and has a great liking for power metal?

No logic. No logic what-so-ever.

no logic? are you a moron?

I agree. You remind me of that fat comic book guy on the simpsons. You are proabablly just some 35 year old living with his mom, judging everybody except yourself. You should stop being such a cry baby and except the fact people have different opinions.

December Flower · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 5:15 pm

This sounds really bad :? Sceptre of Deception was a big step down from the awesome Chapters from a Vale Forlorn but it was still quite good IMO. And yeah, Blad had a really unique voice, something that is needed to make a really great power metal album today. Daniel Heiman should leave Crystal Eyes and put Falconer back on track

WinterIsComing · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am **Posts:** 1025

metalNESS wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

you missed this gem:

Quote:

The last time I heard Falconer was with Sceptre of Deception and that album left me cold and indifferent. I hate to pick on Kristoffer Gobel, while he is a talented singer he simply cannot fill the shoes of Mattias Blad, no one can. Stefan Weinerhall also tried to tackle on way too much with that album with his intricate concept thread and I felt that Sceptre was just a pedestrian release, one that has not been played in quite some time

To me as well as most Falconer fans, Sceptre of Deception was just as awesome as their first 2 albums. I am so tired of scores that are either way too high or way too low.

Oh wow, you decided to actually read the review instead of just looking at the score for once. By all the gods of asgard, I am surprised.

Ok, so... his opinion differs from most people who enjoy Falconer... so he is 'unfit' to review a Falconer disc? And yet, he still enjoyed some CDs of theirs, and has a great liking for power metal?

No logic. No logic what-so-ever.

no logic? are you a moron?

I agree. You remind me of that fat comic book guy on the simpsons. You are proabablly just some 35 year old living with his mom, judging everybody except yourself. You should stop being such a cry baby and except the fact people have different opinions.

you talking about me?

WinterIsComing · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am **Posts:** 1025

December Flower wrote:

This sounds really bad :? Sceptre of Deception was a big step down from the awesome Chapters from a Vale Forlorn but it was still quite good IMO. And yeah, Blad had a really unique voice, something that is needed to make a really great power metal album today. Daniel Heiman should leave Crystal Eyes and put Falconer back on track

I would take Gobel over Heiman any time

Ness · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 6:37 pm

WinterIsComing wrote:

metalNESS wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

Dead Machine wrote:

WinterIsComing wrote:

you missed this gem:

Quote:

The last time I heard Falconer was with Sceptre of Deception and that album left me cold and indifferent. I hate to pick on Kristoffer Gobel, while he is a talented singer he simply cannot fill the shoes of Mattias Blad, no one can. Stefan Weinerhall also tried to tackle on way too much with that album with his intricate concept thread and I felt that Sceptre was just a pedestrian release, one that has not been played in quite some time

To me as well as most Falconer fans, Sceptre of Deception was just as awesome as their first 2 albums. I am so tired of scores that are either way too high or way too low.

no.
Oh wow, you decided to actually read the review instead of just looking at the score for once. By all the gods of asgard, I am surprised.

Ok, so... his opinion differs from most people who enjoy Falconer... so he is 'unfit' to review a Falconer disc? And yet, he still enjoyed some CDs of theirs, and has a great liking for power metal?

No logic. No logic what-so-ever.

no logic? are you a moron?

I agree. You remind me of that fat comic book guy on the simpsons. You are proabablly just some 35 year old living with his mom, judging everybody except yourself. You should stop being such a cry baby and except the fact people have different opinions.

you talking about me?

Ness · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 6:38 pm

Ben@MetalReviews · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:12 pm **Posts:** 126

I dont see where you got that "I dont appreciate the music." I had the debut of Falconer in my hands within a month of its release and with the exception of this cd have purchased the rest of their catalog on the day they came out. Why I don't like this album is stated in the review, this cd is dull, lifeless, uninspired and boring. If you like those traits in your metal then this is surely the album of the year for you.

Ben

WinterIsComing · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am **Posts:** 1025

Ben@MetalReviews wrote:

I dont see where you got that "I dont appreciate the music." I had the debut of Falconer in my hands within a month of its release and with the exception of this cd have purchased the rest of their catalog on the day they came out. Why I don't like this album is stated in the review, this cd is dull, lifeless, uninspired and boring. If you like those traits in your metal then this is surely the album of the year for you.

Ben

I think you have also made it clear that you didn't like Sceptre of Deception much, therefore Marty or Jeff should have reviewed this CD. Either way you look at it a score of 58/100 is just ridiculous and unfair. If you would appreciate this unique and excellent band you wouldn't insult them with such review.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

metalNESS wrote:

I agree. You remind me of that fat comic book guy on the simpsons. You are proabablly just some 35 year old living with his mom, judging everybody except yourself. You should stop being such a cry baby and except the fact people have different opinions.

Oh dearie, dearie me. A fellow on the internet is insulting me. I shall now go crawl under a rock and cry myself to sleep.

Ness · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 7:34 pm

again...... something the comic book guy would say off the simpsons.

Dead Machine · **Joined:** Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:24 pm **Posts:** 2527

metalNESS wrote:

again...... something the comic book guy would say off the simpsons.

Let me get a few things straight:

1. You are an idiot.
2. WinterIsComing does not defend his lack of logic, he merely says 'are you stupid?' I asked him a question, and that's all he can say? Please. It's pathetic.
3. You happen to be an idiot.
4. I was the one defending right to an opinion, not WiC. WiC essentially said that Ben's opinion was invalid because he didn't like the band's 2002 release. I said that Ben's opinion was valid.
5. You happen to be an idiot.
6. I would hope that someone who hates me so vehemently would be able to develop more insulting and accurate insults, eh?

Anonymous · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2005 7:38 pm

For the record I disagree with the review. I see where you're coming from Ben, I just don't agree with your statements. True enough, this is probably the weakest Falconer CD, though that isn't really saying much as I'd score the previous three as follows:

s/t - 96
Chatpers - 98
Scepters - 85

so obviously I consider the first two, two of my favorite power metal releases. As for Scepters I liked the music a lot. While the new (not so new anymore I guess) vocalist is a good singer and more varied, Blad IS the singer for Falconer. You do bring up a good point where you mention Blad's singing style fits the music where Gobel's doesn't. I kind of agree with this but I guess you're a lot more put off by Gobel than I am. Obviously I prefer Blad but Gobel is still a good singer and I'm getting used to him signing in the band. Musically this CD is potentially their worst although I still like a lot of the songs, in particular Jack The Knife, which you hated, interesingly enough.

There are some aspects of the music I like more than on previous releases but it's missing the staying power of songs like Clarion Call or Wings Of Serenity. After three listens I give this CD high 70's. So not outstanding but very good. With Blad singing my score would probably be higher because the music is only a small step down from previous releases. Actually, it's more like some parts are better and some parts are worse... so it's more the inconsitency that is the problem, which was never an issue on previous releases.

Regardless I do think you're being a little harsh but we obviously have different tastes in Power Metal since I wouldn't score Pyramaze anywhere near 97, but that's me.

Ben@MetalReviews · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:12 pm **Posts:** 126

Oh my god a constuctive crtique with points to back up the critiquer! I thought those were gone forever.

The two biggest problems with this cd are A. the vocals and B. the songwriting. Both are just weak in my opinion and Falconer are on a decline into fourth and fifth tier status. I actually think if Stefan somehow made a Mithotyn reunion happen it would be much better than any of the last two Falconer discs. And yes I am aware that Karsten joined Stefan from Mithotyn on the first two Falconer discs.

Ben

WinterIsComing · **Joined:** Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am **Posts:** 1025

crims@metalreviews wrote:

For the record I disagree with the review. I see where you're coming from Ben, I just don't agree with your statements. True enough, this is probably the weakest Falconer CD, though that isn't really saying much as I'd score the previous three as follows:

s/t - 96
Chatpers - 98
Scepters - 85

so obviously I consider the first two, two of my favorite power metal releases. As for Scepters I liked the music a lot. While the new (not so new anymore I guess) vocalist is a good singer and more varied, Blad IS the singer for Falconer. You do bring up a good point where you mention Blad's singing style fits the music where Gobel's doesn't. I kind of agree with this but I guess you're a lot more put off by Gobel than I am. Obviously I prefer Blad but Gobel is still a good singer and I'm getting used to him signing in the band. Musically this CD is potentially their worst although I still like a lot of the songs, in particular Jack The Knife, which you hated, interesingly enough.

There are some aspects of the music I like more than on previous releases but it's missing the staying power of songs like Clarion Call or Wings Of Serenity. After three listens I give this CD high 70's. So not outstanding but very good. With Blad singing my score would probably be higher because the music is only a small step down from previous releases. Actually, it's more like some parts are better and some parts are worse... so it's more the inconsitency that is the problem, which was never an issue on previous releases.

Regardless I do think you're being a little harsh but we obviously have different tastes in Power Metal since I wouldn't score Pyramaze anywhere near 97, but that's me.

thanks for your input, I basically agree with all you said, except for the part about Gobel's voice not fitting the music/style I actually think it fits very well almost all of the time. I don't have the new album yet, only heard 2 songs and some samples of it so I can't comment on it much.

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