Goat wrote:
TheMetalWarrior316 wrote:
For example Watain Sworn to the Dark. Or Emperor Prometheus... . Or Satyricon Age of Nero. Or Abigor Fractal Possession.
Yeah, but three out of four of those are hardly pure Black Metal, all experimenting in some way or another. Black Metal is, at the end of the day, a certain sound influenced by Bathory/Venom/Celtic Frost/etc that bands then interpret individually.
That is a bit of an easy explanation. Particularly because the bands you mention could certainly all be described as Black Metal. Even though they sound very different they share a common aesthetic. Black Metal is made from many different musical backgrounds united in an overall feeling.
Blasphemy pretty much forged their sound on a foundation of grind, but I doubt anyone would dispute them being Black Metal.
Bathory draws from Thrash, traditional Metal and Punk music, but the result is undeniably Black Metal. The same goes for many of the other bands. Their musical ancestry might be different, but they make Black Metal nonetheless. Sound wise there isn't really a credible definition of pure Black Metal; it's all a matter of aesthetic and feeling.
Rhys wrote:
EisenFaust wrote:
This topic might warrant a discussion thread of its own, but anyway.
As I see it Black Metal is more of an aesthetical develpoment than an actual sound. Ascribing a generic sound to BM is a bit of a contradiction since the genre as whole is so focused on intangible elements like evocative qualities, atmosphere and feeling.
So out of curiosity (particularly referring to the posts of Rhys and steve...): What is needed in order to be 'proper' BM? What defines it? Does it, in your opinion, have to have tremolo picked melodies and long periods of ambience? What disqualifies Deathcrush?
I'd call this a classic piece of Black Metal any time.
Has the wrong atmosphere for me...feels like death metal in parts. Although keep in mind I listened to this well after most other classic pieces of black metal...
This album comes from a time when the difference between the scenes was much smaller than today. That is, pretty much non-existent. The divide is not really made before the 90s and it's still not always clear-cut, so Death Metal is not far off. The Black/Death movement was pushing towards a new form of expression, but I think that it is quite clear what separates this album and an album like
Sarcófago's "INRI" from a band like
Death for example (and I'm not talking about musicianship).
Besides, I find it hard to imagine e.g.
Burzum existing in its actual form if it wasn't for this album. So yeah, a Black Metal classic.