Dragonforce????

Radagast · **Posted:** Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:52 pm

derncare wrote:

The kids in t-shirts is simply something no one should have time in their lives to be bothered with. Who cares? There are fans of EVERY band that don't listen to the rest of that genre. It happens. Big deal. Letting it bother you much is a waste of time.

As far as the band's attitude is concerned. The only band members that show any serious outward personality are the guitarists, and they have been acting the way they do since long before the popularity. They have massive egos about their guitar skills. It has nothing to do with popularity. They attitudes have been around since before they even played together in DragonForce. All the popularity does if give them more of a media outlet to act out.

I tried to like Valley of the Damned, but after a few listens, the things that give its production a poor reputation started showing through to me, even though I hadn't noticed them at first. I think Sonic Firestorm is their best album, and if you don't like their effects, that's just a personal preference thing. It's one of the things that makes them unique. In a world of new clone-of-a-clone power metal bands appearing every day, at least they do something to be distinctive, which is more than alot of new PM bands do. It's all in whether or not someone personally likes those particular things.

Ummm....exactly. I clearly don't. Whats the problem? I don't like the new album very much for reasons I've already explained. I didn't say you're not allowed to like it.

derncare · **Joined:** Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:40 am **Posts:** 731

I know. I was just stating my point-of-view

Eyesore · **Posted:** Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:35 pm

rio wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

People can dislike bands all they want because they got popular, but let's not try and sugar-coat it. Holy_Terror could simply say he hates seeing little turds wearing bands' shirts knowing nothing about the band, thus it makes him dislike the band. But no one ever admits that no matter how obvious it is.

Not sugar coating it, just wondering why it's such a bad thing.

Personally I am indeed quite open about the fact that- for example- if I was listening to Opeth on my headphones and walked past some little turds all wearing Opeth hoodies I would probably switch to something more kvlt, and I certainly don't feel bad about saying that. It wouldn't put me off Opeth permanently, just for the duration of the time I was around those kids.

Music makes up a very large part of my life and personality. I hate children, so it makes sense that certain reactions to mainstream music are only natural.

It's not such a bad thing, I think it's a fairly natural reaction. I just wish people were more honest about it. Denying it simply makes them look like an ass because their actions are far too telling.

noodles · **Posted:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 2:29 am

Seeing as how most people here like Iron Maiden and Metallica I don't see why you're complaining about ignorant people wearing Dragonforce t-shirts

. And as cool as it is to have a favourite band that only you've heard of, I'm pretty sure that every band, no matter how obscure, has some really stupid fans.

Vanwarp · **Posted:** Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:40 pm

I like the music of DragonForce...the problem I have though is that their music just doesn't hold much repeat value for me. After I've heard the album several times, I put away the CD and don't really care to take it out for another spin. After the novelty wears off, there's nothing really compelling about it... :mellow:

Mintrude · **Posted:** Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:03 pm

Dragonforce are fine in small doses. I remember hearing them back in the Sonic Firestorm days and didn't really think much of them until a friend played me Through The Fire and Flames. I bought Inhuman Rampage, and found it very repetitive.

Holy_Terror · **Posted:** Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:16 pm

Eyesore wrote:

For the record, I've heard two Dragonforce songs. I just wish people here would talk music instead of nonsense.

I've heard their albums, and I've seen their music videos...and I said they didnt bother me before I became well aquainted with their music. God forbid people have a change of heart. I'm sorry you like this crappy band and get mad when people bash them. But let's face it, they suck. Guitar solos alone don't make a band good. So lets sum things up

Good things about Dragon Force:
1.) Solos

Bad Things about Dragon Force:
1.) Singing
2.) Song structures
3.) No tempo change what so ever
4.) Back Street Boy melodies

That is my final analysis. If you don't like it, get bent.

derncare · **Joined:** Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:40 am **Posts:** 731

Holy_Terror wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

For the record, I've heard two Dragonforce songs. I just wish people here would talk music instead of nonsense.

I've heard their albums, and I've seen their music videos...and I said they didnt bother me before I became well aquainted with their music. God forbid people have a change of heart. I'm sorry you like this crappy band and get mad when people bash them. But let's face it, they suck. Guitar solos alone don't make a band good. So lets sum things up

Good things about Dragon Force:
1.) Solos Agreed

Bad Things about Dragon Force:
1.) Singing Let's not even talk about some one-note trash vocalists you listen to
2.) Song structures Could definitely be more varied
3.) No tempo change what so ever You exaggerate, and it's again no different than many of the thrash bands you listen to
4.) Back Street Boy melodies Ridculous comment not even worth mentioning

That is my final analysis. If you don't like it, get bent.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:09 pm

Holy_Terror wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

For the record, I've heard two Dragonforce songs. I just wish people here would talk music instead of nonsense.

I've heard their albums, and I've seen their music videos...and I said they didnt bother me before I became well aquainted with their music. God forbid people have a change of heart. I'm sorry you like this crappy band and get mad when people bash them. But let's face it, they suck. Guitar solos alone don't make a band good. So lets sum things up

Good things about Dragon Force:
1.) Solos

Bad Things about Dragon Force:
1.) Singing
2.) Song structures
3.) No tempo change what so ever
4.) Back Street Boy melodies

That is my final analysis. If you don't like it, get bent.

I am no Dragonforce fan, my friend. I've heard like two songs.

Regardless, you have gone off countless times about how Walls of Jericho-era Helloween is so amazing and superior to virtually all other power metal, how can you then compare Dragonforce to that version of Helloween and now come in with the singing is bad, the song structures are bad, there's no tempo change, the melodies are like the Backstreet Boys! I mean, that's a 180º spin! And by that logic, because the comparison should still stand, Walls of Jericho-era Helloween has bad singing, bad song structures, no tempo changes and Backstreet Boys melodies.

Do you see the flaws here? Just admit it: you hate it when bands get popular.

Holy_Terror · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:21 pm

Yes I hate it when bands become popular especially when they are of such a low quality. I don't mind bands being paid their due, but I do care when the band is horrible. It paints a perfect picture of the way things are going in metal. Dragonforce and bands like them are the new "hair" metal bands and are commercializing metal once again.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:29 pm

Holy_Terror wrote:

Yes I hate it when bands become popular especially when they are of such a low quality. I don't mind bands being paid their due, but I do care when the band is horrible. It paints a perfect picture of the way things are going in metal. Dragonforce and bands like them are the new "hair" metal bands and are commercializing metal once again.

Thanks for acknowledging the rest of what I said. :rolleyes:

Pasqua · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:21 pm

Holy_Terror wrote:

Yes I hate it when bands become popular especially when they are of such a low quality. I don't mind bands being paid their due, but I do care when the band is horrible. It paints a perfect picture of the way things are going in metal. Dragonforce and bands like them are the new "hair" metal bands and are commercializing metal once again.

I can see your point there.

I don't hate when bands get popular. If they deserve it, then fine. I know that this happens RARELY ... I mean, GOOOOOD things going popular and mainstream. Happened with Maiden, Seinfeld and The Simpsons. But let's face it, most stuff that reaches popularity ... well, they just suck.

But I have to agree regarding to highly overrated things. They just annoy me as well. When something is bad, but it isn't highly acclaimed, you live with it, fine, it's bad, period. But when people start to worship shit, of course it's annoying, and from ignoring the shit you start to hate it. I think it's normal.

But I don't see Dragonforce as being higly overrated, or extremely popular. Therefore, I don't hate them. I just don't dig their stuff.

stuartn15ted · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:26 pm

Holy_Terror wrote:

Good things about Dragon Force:
1.) Solos

That is my final analysis. If you don't like it, get bent.

Dragon Force solos good??? hahah......so wrong

derncare · **Joined:** Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:40 am **Posts:** 731

People need to remember that good and bad is just a matter of personal opinion anyway, so whether or not something is "good" enough for mainstream popularity is also just a matter of opinion.

And as far as DragonForce is concerned, some people do act like they are on top of the pop music heap or something when in actuality, they have only gotten US mainstream success in comparison to other power metal in the US. They are not outselling the top PM bands in the rest of the world either, so it's not like they've become THAT mainstream.

The quality of the solos is again a personal issue. The guitarists are highly skilled, and whwther you like or don't like the final product, is up to you.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:27 pm

I almost dislike CoB after seeing all these jerks who never even heard of Zakk Wylde go around saying how great Alexi Laiho is... I mean, sure, he's got great technique, but go listen to Zakk ripping the frets off of an acoustic guitar and then my friend, you'll know what balls are. Zakk has more balls than anyone. Even Chuck Norris.

OldSchool · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:39 pm

derncare wrote:

They are not outselling the top PM bands in the rest of the world either, so it's not like they've become THAT mainstream.

Out of curiosity, what is the top of best selling PM bands worldwide right now? I have a hunch Blind Guardian and probably Helloween are upthere, who are the rest?

derncare · **Joined:** Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:40 am **Posts:** 731

I don't think Helloween is anymore. I know BG is up there with their new album. I'll have to check out chart positions again. Edguy's latest album did well in alot of countries, but it's hardly power metal anymore.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:47 pm

Maiden probaböy is... i know the album sold shitloads over here...

heatseeker · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:41 pm

I like DragonForce for what they're worth. Good solos, fast songs, and pure energy...it's fun to listen to every once in a while, but yeah--play their stuff too much and it gets very repetitive. I actually like their singer...too bad their lyrics are so bad. It would be interesting to see them actually make an attempt at decent lyrics.

I've begun to find the drumming extremely annoying. He has one beat (if a fast one) and he does a mini-solo every fifteen seconds or so. If you follow the drumming, you can tell when he's about to solo...I would just like to see some variation.

Am I the only one that likes Inhuman Rampage as much as Sonic Firestorm?

SilentEagle · **Posted:** Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:08 pm

my personal opinion on dragonforce is that they are the type of band that is really interesting to listen to the first few times you hear them. then you start to realize the repitiveness of it all.

thats basically what happened to me. first time i heard "through the fire and the flames" i listened to them a bunch. then i kind of just stopped listening as i wasnt ever discovering anything new that i hadn't already heard from them. i still enjoy hearing the odd dragonforce song now though.

FrigidSymphony wrote:

I almost dislike CoB after seeing all these jerks who never even heard of Zakk Wylde go around saying how great Alexi Laiho is... I mean, sure, he's got great technique, but go listen to Zakk ripping the frets off of an acoustic guitar and then my friend, you'll know what balls are. Zakk has more balls than anyone. Even Chuck Norris.

amen. even though i love both zakk and CoB. hell, they both shred better than "popular" bands. Bleed black label!:dio:

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