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Fuck you, you racist sack-of-shit. I hope the next guy who mugs you blows a hole in your fucking forehead.

Fuck ALL OF YOU WHO THINK LIKE THIS.


What an intelligent and constructive response... :roll:

Call it racism, i call it common sense.
Most gypsies are thieving sacks-o'-shite. Therefore, it makes sense not to be too trusting towards them. Simple.

FUCK ALL YOU TREEHUGGING LEFTIES. (insert fuckload of evil smilies)


:shock:

Since when was tolerance and understanding something only left wing people were capabl.... oh wait. (Insert fuckload of eyerolling emoticons)


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Well, to make use of my new favourite verb, I got totally jewed today. My job has rotating shift patters - two weeks of 8am starts, one week of 8.30, one of 9 and two of 10.30. Last week I was on the 8am sketch and was supposed to be moving on to the 8.30. I arrived in work at 8 only to find out they had fucked around with the shift patterns (I was aware of this but was under the impression it made no chnage to the order) and that I was starting at 10.30. Two and a half hours of sleep stolen. Bastards.


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I refuse to believe that one race is naturally inclined towards thievery from birth...


Yeah, I refuse that too but seeing a 5 year old boy taking my wallet without me not noticing and then running away like an olympic sprinter makes me wonder.

If I ever see a gypsy who has established a normal life, has an accepted place in society I will really go and congratulate them because I do think that it can be done, it just that most of them aren't trying.


But I think that five year old is being influenced by his parents, friends etc... not his own intrinsically malicious nature.


Surely. There's no such thing as a thieving gene that they have and that's not what I meant, it would be stupid to say so. "Made into thieves at birth" means they are born to be thieves because their environment is forcing them to be that way.


Yeah, I can agree with that.... I think DM means that the evironment they are born into is at least in part created by the way mainstream society regards them.


I agree with Kathy on this one. And I don't go in for this apologist "it's your fault a lot of gypsies are dishonest because your society shuns them" stuff. Can a bad upbringing really eradicate a grown person's sense of right and wrong?


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I refuse to believe that one race is naturally inclined towards thievery from birth...


Yeah, I refuse that too but seeing a 5 year old boy taking my wallet without me not noticing and then running away like an olympic sprinter makes me wonder.

If I ever see a gypsy who has established a normal life, has an accepted place in society I will really go and congratulate them because I do think that it can be done, it just that most of them aren't trying.


But I think that five year old is being influenced by his parents, friends etc... not his own intrinsically malicious nature.


Surely. There's no such thing as a thieving gene that they have and that's not what I meant, it would be stupid to say so. "Made into thieves at birth" means they are born to be thieves because their environment is forcing them to be that way.


Yeah, I can agree with that.... I think DM means that the evironment they are born into is at least in part created by the way mainstream society regards them.


I agree with Kathy on this one. And I don't go in for this apologist "it's your fault a lot of gypsies are dishonest because your society shuns them" stuff. Can a bad upbringing really eradicate a grown person's sense of right and wrong?


Not necessarily, but a person does not have to have their conscience eradicated to become a petty thief. A bad upbringing can undoubtedly encourage potentially good people to break the rules. If there's an entire race of people that are brought up in a way that is so alien to everyone else in the country they live in then I certainly see how they could adopt an "us vs them" attitude. You shouldn't take that as excuse-making: It just seems like common sense to say that there are sociological reasons behind increased criminal behaviour amongst certain ethnic groups- rather than just "well, gypsies are bad..."

Heh, not that anyone here has said that specifically. I just always believe there are deeper reasons behind criminal behaviour when it is highly concentrated amongst certain people, and those reasons deserve consideration whatever they may be.


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Gypsies, right? Well, lemme tell you something about gypsies. The way it is, they've heard people call a bad deal a 'dirty gyp' all their lives, they've been run out of more cities and towns than you can spell the name of, Hitler wanted to exterminate every last one...


As Zad already pointed out, the same applies to Jews. When was the last time you heard of a Jewish pickpocket?

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It just seems like common sense to say that there are sociological reasons behind increased criminal behaviour amongst certain ethnic groups- rather than just "well, gypsies are bad..."


Of course. I didn't mean that a person who is born a gypsy is automagically a bad person, i'm not that stupid. I was merely generalizing. Sometimes generalization serves a purpose (in this case it helps to avoid getting robbed).

If this makes me a racist, then fine, call me a racist. Like i give a fuck.

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Fuck you, you racist sack-of-shit. I hope the next guy who mugs you blows a hole in your fucking forehead.

Fuck ALL OF YOU WHO THINK LIKE THIS.


What an intelligent and constructive response... :roll:

Call it racism, i call it common sense.
Most gypsies are thieving sacks-o'-shite. Therefore, it makes sense not to be too trusting towards them. Simple.

FUCK ALL YOU TREEHUGGING LEFTIES. (insert fuckload of evil smilies)


:shock:

Since when was tolerance and understanding something only left wing people were capabl.... oh wait. (Insert fuckload of eyerolling emoticons)


The "fuck you..."-part was a joke on my behalf. I'm not sure about Dead Machine though.

-Jürgen Hitler


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Jürgen wrote:
Of course. I didn't mean that a person who is born a gypsy is automagically a bad person, i'm not that stupid. I was merely generalizing. Sometimes generalization serves a purpose (in this case it helps to avoid getting robbed).

If this makes me a racist, then fine, call me a racist. Like i give a fuck.


Believe it or not, I can sympathise, and I'm not going to call you a racist at all. Living where I do, I am always concerned about being mugged. It's a multicultural area, but I don't worry when I see anyone of a specific ethinicity, I just worry when I see a large group of youths walking towards me ( :shock: :? ) whatever their genetic makeup. Of course, this is also a generalization, but common sense (haha) tells me that if I were to go about shouting about how bad young people are, and how they should be avoided, then that would only make things much worse- a case of "us vs them". I hope you dig what I'm trying to say: that's why I think DM is justified in criticising people that are always singling out gypsies as untrustworthy by nature. And whatever generalisations we may make on a personal level, allowing them to become widely held as true amongst mainstream society can only be harmful.

Hmm, it seems you are 100% correct about gypsies coming from Asia originally. Really I don't know where my info came from, but obviously the wrong place. Ah well...


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rio wrote:
I think DM is justified in criticising people that are always singling out gypsies as untrustworthy by nature. And whatever generalisations we may make on a personal level, allowing them to become widely held as true amongst mainstream society can only be harmful.


I agree. No human being is untrustworthy by nature. As Kathaarian said, there's no such thing as a thieving gene. But i also believe that the culture that you're raised into can affect you, for better or worse, some people more, some less.

And the generalizations i make are purely personal. I'm not organizing hate rallies or anything. :)
Of course i also acknowledge the fact that no generalization can be 100% true.

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Hmm, it seems you are 100% correct about gypsies coming from Asia originally. Really I don't know where my info came from, but obviously the wrong place. Ah well...


It's a very common misconception. Maybe it's because of the fact that Romania has a large gypsy population, i dunno.


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Hmm, it seems you are 100% correct about gypsies coming from Asia originally. Really I don't know where my info came from, but obviously the wrong place. Ah well...


It's a very common misconception. Maybe it's because of the fact that Romania has a large gypsy population, i dunno.


Hmmm, also I guess just Romany/Romania is also confusing. Wierd.


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I feel immensely disappointed and pissed off. The guitarist and main songwriter has left my favourite local band Syth. :evil:


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Snow's nearly gone. :D


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Snow's nearly gone. :D

To be replaced by rivers of slush; Sauron's foul perversion of snow.


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Radagast wrote:
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Snow's nearly gone. :D

To be replaced by rivers of slush; Sauron's foul perversion of snow.


It's mostly dried up down here.


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I don't get it.


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I don't get it.

Because, I presume, you've never heard a Glaswegien speaking? :lol:

"You're claimed, cunto!" = "I'm going to beat you up, cunt"

"Hud enough ay yer pish" = "I've had enough of your shit"

Optimus justs makes it funny.


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I don't get it.


That's an artist's impression of what it's like to run into Radagast on a Friday night.


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Radagast :lol:


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it's not like i see a gypsie and i run away, but if i see a group of them then damn right i'm walking the other way.

i never said that they steal because they're gypsies, but that frankly a good lot of them are rather "shady" people. if you find this generalization offensive, then fine, i don't care.

having had some racist abbuse thrown my way before, i know how it feels so don't give me any of that crap, thanks.

it's not like i think they're all scum, but i'd rather not risk getting mugged.

and stop acting like a 15 year old "omg u racist fuck i hope u die!1!"

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I don't get it.


That's an artist's impression of what it's like to run into Radagast on a Friday night.

If the going gets tough, i just transform into a truck and drive off. "That's the best part aboot bein' mental!" (to quote that MacHitler video none of you bastards responded to)


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Radagast wrote:
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I don't get it.


That's an artist's impression of what it's like to run into Radagast on a Friday night.

If the going gets tough, i just transform into a truck and drive off. "That's the best part aboot bein' mental!" (to quote that MacHitler video none of you bastards responded to)


It didn't work for me, and I got tired of saying that whenenver someone posts something funny.


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and yes the issue is more complex than just "they're culture says so" but it's unfair to throw all the blame on society. there are also indian, chinese amd eastern european immigrants and they don't get half the shit gypsies get, and that's for a reason.

like i said before it's not like gypsies say "as a reaction to your racist society, we'll take your wallet, thanks".

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Radagast wrote:
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I don't get it.


That's an artist's impression of what it's like to run into Radagast on a Friday night.

If the going gets tough, i just transform into a truck and drive off. "That's the best part aboot bein' mental!" (to quote that MacHitler video none of you bastards responded to)


I found it moderately amusing, but as with most cases like these I found myself unable to think of an appropriately witty comment to make :x


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