Metal Reviews

Now feeling quite sad. I've just found out Jimmy Johnstone (Scottish football legend and all-round class act) has died at the age of 61 from Motor Neuron Disease.

EDIT - Whoah, talk about overreaction. I'm not going anywhere, this place is one of my lifelines. Jesus. This migraine is killing my good sense.

That having been said, Jurgen is an idiot and so is Azrael.

Here's the way I see it: Are humans all, intrinsically bad? No. What is it that gypsies have at birth that makes them steal? Nothing. You must look at the initial circumstances first, the circumstances that forced them in nomadic positions, the circumstances that made them steal to survive, and onward.

Despite what anyone may think, what they're doing isn't because they're an evil race. It's because their ancestors were forced into a position where they had to steal or die, and they stole. From then on, it snowballed. It can all be traced back to people hating people that are different from themselves, and that hate being reflected in the hated one's minds. That's how humans are, but it also means that we and we alone are responsible for the ways that others act towards us.

The majority always persecutes the minority in some way, or sometimes it's the other way around, but it always ends in nothing good. And now we have this. But we made this bed, no matter that it's full of silver knives sticking straight up like shark's teeth. We have to sleep in it now, and we will complain, but we're stuck with it.

You see what I'm saying?

Wow, this sucks. I have read five posts this entire week and I come across this one. This sucks.

Is this a Zad/Disemboweller moment?

ok fine then, then you go ahead and walk down the street and risk getting mugged.

how should i put this... you're walking and there's 5 or 6 homeboys standing there, looking all ghetto and shit. will you walk their way nonetheless?

if you think i'm racist, fine then. i know i'm not.

as for the childish thing, well, recently you sound like you're having your period or something.

What I'm saying is that you shouldn't blame them for the way that they've been molded by history. Despite what you may think, an individual has little to no control over his own life. We're just the sum of every person we've ever met. And when all the people you meet are crooks... well...

Where, then, does personal responsibility come into play? We are more than the sum of our experiences. We have free will, and we can choose our life's path. Obviously if your environment pressures you to immoral behavior you're more likely to give in to those pressures, but at base it's your choice.

my post above was before you edited.

look, it's not fair that we have to pay for the discrimination brought by our ancestors. and trust me, people have tried and tried to like them, but they just fuck it all up. it's one thing to live outside of our society, it's another to blatantly steal from it. i can't stress this enough - we have given them chances. in the PC-obcessed times we live in they and all other minorities got their shot at integration, but they simply refuse it.

and for crying out loud, i NEVER said it was in their blood. they simply chose to not have any consideration for others. i don't remember my sister having done anything wrong to them, yet they didn't hesitate to pull a knife on her and scare the shit out of her.

i don't mind the gypsies who sell shit right next to my home, they never bothered me, but i do mind the animals that steal like they have right to our stuff.



so it works both ways! if they act like animals, THEY SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE ANIMALS! i'm not talking about gypsies here, i'm talking about people who steal, no matter what their backgrounds.

and i'm a minority too, an indian in portugal, and even though i got some racist abuse i never never never unloaded on people who didn't deserve it.

It comes into play once you've seen both sides. If you're raised as a racist slaveowner by your racist slaveowner family and grow to the age of 20, it's likely that you'll stay a racist slaveowner forever.

If a gypsy child sees both sides, he'll make a choice, the easy choice or the hard one. Some will make the easy and continue thieving, some will make the hard and be ostracized from their families.

You can't blame a person for doing one thing when one thing is all he was shown all his life. We don't have natural moral compasses at a young age, they're carved as we ripen.



I'm aware it was.

PC-crap doesn't work either because it's more often than not merely clumsily benevolent condescension that's the equivalent of not giving your dog a pat on the head when he piddles on your floor.



Read my latest post.



BUT TREATING MEN LIKE ANIMALS DOESN'T SOLVE ANYTHING! Violence begets violence, hate begets hate, you sow in wretched fury and you'll reap in wretched weeping.

If that's the way you want the world to work, fine. But I want something better for my kids.

YOU DAMN HIPPIE !!!
(I entirely agree)

DM, we've tried it the easy way and they don't want it. i'm talking about the assitance provided - it's not just condescending crap, i'm talking about accessible education and health care, social projects (for everyone), new homes (i mean entire fucking apartment buildings, brand new, where the rent is like 2.5€ a month per apartment)...

so it's either the hard way, or we just let them get away with it.

but like i said - as long as they don't go around acting like animals, i don't mind them, but there is NO EXCUSE, not unless they're starving or something, to steal and scare people. not in these times and not in this place. and i'm pretty sure mobile phonnes and mp3 players aren't edible yet.

Have they seen the other side?

If they haven't, then you've got no place to judge them. If they have, then you do. In keeping with the maxim of 'innocent until proven guilty,' you must assume that they haven't unless specifically finding out otherwise.

Therefore, you can't judge them because you lack enough knowledge to do so.

Steve - I eat animal-flesh. It's delicious.
But I'm glad you agree, all the same.

what other side? i fail to understand,

It makes me very happy to see Aaron lending his debating skills to the liberal argument.

That's really all I have left to say on the subject...

I'm afraid that there's not a thing you (or anyone else), Aaron will ever say to me that can justify a group of youths mugging a lone teenage girl.

There is nothing racist about commenting on the inordinate amount of gypsies that live a lifestyle at the expense of others. These are not the only people in history that have been persecuted, but remain one of the few that has refused to move on with the world. The bottom line is it is easier to steal and intimidate than it is to live an honest life and make even a minuscule improvement towards society.

I am not saying all gypsies are thieving scum - but those that live this way are holding the rest of their people back more than the rest of society.

They know the laws of the land; you can choose whether or not to obey the law. They have seen "the other side."

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be social responsibility taken; obviously some of the problems that cause this sort of thing in the first place need to be addressed. However, I hate it when bad behavior is entirely blamed on the environment, and no blame goes to the person. There's too little personal responsibility in this day and age.

Wow you racist fuck! Go sign up for the Hitler's Youth.


edit : Forgot to say I agree with you completely

oh man Radagast put it all in just a handful of lines.

I completely agree with Kathy.

I repeat... the 'other side' is not something revealed to everyone. It's something like a revelation of purpose/morality. Self-awareness, if you will.

I'm terribly sorry that none of you can comprehend that, but I'm not going to waste my time yelling at brickwalls.

Remember... hatred solves nothing...

i think that you can't see out point of view either...

let's just agree to disagree.

EDIT - if we've seen that the "easy way" isn't working, what are we supposed to do?

i know that if i get mugged, and i can take on the animal doing it, i'll at least try to administer a beatdown. we gotta fight back against these animals.