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Tyrion wrote:
No offense, Dead Machine, but I think your type of attidude is of the kind that only further propogates these kinds of problems.


This is fully incorrect. The harmful attitude is the one dictating that anyone suggesting deeper psychological or sociological reasons for criminal activity are appeasers, or excuse makers. Where has anyone suggested that gypsy thieves should receive lesser sentences? Or that this behaviour is any more acceptable for them than it is for you or I?

It is perfectly possible to criticize societal attitudes towards gypsies, and also hypothesize about why crime is a problem with them, without encouraging crime itself. The problem comes when any attempts to do so are shouted down by a legion of people making these kinds of accusations.

Why, then, is crime worse amongst gypsies than jews? If we accept that there is no such thing as a genetically inferior ethinicity, then logic says we have to look for other causes.


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I agree here 100% with Dead Machine. Not all the gypsies are thieves, as is wrong to acuse a race for what some of them do...
Is like saying "All muslim are fanatic and terrorist". No, that's not true.
That's racism.
Saying all thieves are shit is correct, cause is not less thief a white, black, red or yellow thief than a gypsy one.


But when somebody draws a cartoon of Mohammad as a suicide bomber it pretty much means that Islam = Terror but everybody here thought it was ok because of freedom of speech. But when Azrael says Gypsies are thieves he's racist and an idiot.

Don't tell me there's no difference, it's the same thing. The issue is "prejudice against a group of people". It's hypocrisy.


You're right. Heh, I certainly don't think Azrael is a racist at all, btw :D And yeah, I think the Danish cartoons were an abuse of free speech to say the least, and was pretty glad that no UK papers reprinted them.


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it says everything imho :
left corner : Mahomet overtaken by fundamentalists
and the "bubble" says : "It's hard to be loved by assholes"

and I still think court was the right place to have the debate since laws exist.. burning embassies and scaring away tourists is never a good idea.

and I don't think Az is racist either... just that, on the matter, he is pretty much full of shit... :roll:

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Not all the gypsies are thieves, as is wrong to acuse a race for what some of them do...

AAAaargh. I was supposed to be bowing out of this, but no one here is implying that.


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It's really a silly argument, as the odds are that most gypsies will be fully integrated into society over the next few years (and I mean more than 3/4, obviously). Ultimately, you can't peg a race down as anything, it's all individual. The fact that most gypsies seem to be criminals doesn't help their cause.


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bored.


Write some software, you lazy arse.


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ok.

these are not "narrow experiences". i was mugged 2 weeks ago by a black guy, and i don't tihkn that blacks are any worse than any other race. because i know that for every nigger (to me there's a difference between black guys and niggers) there are 10 hard working honest black guys. thing is, i can't say the same thing about gypsies.


also, the whole "nomad" thing isn't what it used to be with them. they don't move around that often now.

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DM, did you not read my posts, or are you a complete retard?

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Here's the way I see it: Are humans all, intrinsically bad? No. What is it that gypsies have at birth that makes them steal? Nothing.


Exactly. Where did i (or Azrael) say anything contrary to this?

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Despite what anyone may think, what they're doing isn't because they're an evil race. It's because their ancestors were forced into a position where they had to steal or die, and they stole. From then on, it snowballed.


I didn't say anything to contradict this either. Things happen for a reason, sure. But "why they steal" does not change the fact that they do steal (and just to be PC enough for you hippies: not all of them, of course!).

Not once did i say that gypsies are an evil race. There is no such thing as an evil race. Try actually reading my posts before bitching.

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It's different for gypsies because they're never released from their little group of people. As nomads, they travel around TOGETHER without the option of hanging out with law-abiding people.


Most gypsies aren't really nomadic anymore. There have been gypsies living in Finland for centuries. They go to public schools and get all the same social services as Finnish people. Yet, a working, law-abiding gypsy is still a rarity.

Maybe they'll become integrated into society someday, or maybe not. Until then, i'll just try my best not to get robbed or conned.

You seem to be as blindly fanatical and non-critical about your own beliefs as the racist bigots that you despise.


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And that's what's wrong with this world folks. personal responsibilty NEVER evaporates. You still make the choice to do the things you do. Environment doesn't always dictate behavior. In the animal kingdom, sure. But in people it's just not true. I don't care if they were "conditioned"(bullshit) to a rogue lifestyle, that does not excuse mugging a 15 year old girl. Blaming society for everything fixes about as much as hatred.


Word.



Now, if you'll excuse me, i'll go jack off to Mein Kampf.


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There is no such thing as an evil race.


I don't know, them Klingons are pretty nasty.


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Zad wrote:
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There is no such thing as an evil race.


I don't know, them Klingons are pretty nasty.

Balls, they're an honourable people that have a history of violent conflict.

Now them Romulans on the other hand...


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Radagast wrote:
Zad wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
There is no such thing as an evil race.


I don't know, them Klingons are pretty nasty.

Balls, they're an honourable people that have a history of violent conflict.

Now them Romulans on the other hand...


The Cardasians pwn both the Klingons and The Romulans, and everyone knows the Borg are the truly evil race.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
Radagast wrote:
Zad wrote:
Jürgen wrote:
There is no such thing as an evil race.


I don't know, them Klingons are pretty nasty.

Balls, they're an honourable people that have a history of violent conflict.

Now them Romulans on the other hand...


The Cardasians pwn both the Klingons and The Romulans, and everyone knows the Borg are the truly evil race.


Nerd power.


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Pissed off-my mum's changed her internet password again...w00t

BTW on the whole gypsies thing, last time they were near my house a huge police raid had to go down to move them fromt he field. They tried to rape a girl, attempted some robberies, tensions got pretty high yadd yadda. Take note at the fact they never actually succeeded at anything. Heh.


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Metalhead_Bastard wrote:
Pissed off-my mum's changed her internet password again...w00t

BTW on the whole gypsies thing, last time they were near my house a huge police raid had to go down to move them fromt he field. They tried to rape a girl, attempted some robberies, tensions got pretty high yadd yadda. Take note at the fact they never actually succeeded at anything. Heh.

You guys are not talking about the cute Gypsies from eastern Europe that make great jazz, right?


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ok now let's talk about good things gypsies did for portugal. the first one that comes to mind is football player Ricardo Quaresma.

first he sucked because he played really well in our rivals Sporting, and then he kicked ass because he went off to play in Spain, and now he sucks again because he's kicking ass in our other rivals FC Porto.

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Anybody here lusten to Gogol Bordello? Hilarious gypsy rock. I missed theyre concert on Friday cuz I was ill, but my friends really rubbed it in by saying it was the best and most surreal gig ever.


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extremely tired..exams start the 22nd and i'm filling my days with school, learning, and blowing off steam by kicking every object in range. Went out with the dutch girl again though :twisted:


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Pissed off-my mum's changed her internet password again...w00t

BTW on the whole gypsies thing, last time they were near my house a huge police raid had to go down to move them fromt he field. They tried to rape a girl, attempted some robberies, tensions got pretty high yadd yadda. Take note at the fact they never actually succeeded at anything. Heh.

You guys are not talking about the cute Gypsies from eastern Europe that make great jazz, right?


No we're talking about the black metal gypsies. Lolzords.


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Pissed off-my mum's changed her internet password again...w00t

BTW on the whole gypsies thing, last time they were near my house a huge police raid had to go down to move them fromt he field. They tried to rape a girl, attempted some robberies, tensions got pretty high yadd yadda. Take note at the fact they never actually succeeded at anything. Heh.


LOL, I used to live in a highly Jewish and Protestant Caucasion area, and some "Gypsies" came to town. Above the punch clock where I worked there was a sign...

Something to the effect of:

"BEWARE!
Gypsies are roaming the streets
And will try in groups to distract
you while others make a run
for it with various goods.
Be on the lookout.

-Management"

Except it was spelled like this:

"BEWARE!
Gipsies are roming the streets
And will try in groops to distract
you wile others make a run for it
with vareus goods.
Be on the lookout.

-Management"

And I figured it because most of the people who ran the store, and the people working there the longest, were a bunch of dumb bigots. Then I actually met the "people" they were talking about. Slightly more tan than I, their only other notable features were thick mustaches. They'd always pull up while I was in the parking lot, fixing up the mulch stacks, and would offer me 20 bucks to load the whole stack into their pick-up. I figured that it was just cheap construction workers, who assumed my youth (and "obvious desire to screw the system") would benifit them somehow. But, I always said "No." One day, a cashier saw one of these moments, and asked me what they had said. I told her, and her response was, "Fucking Gypsies."

Go figure.


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