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I don't quite understand this. Say one person gets his musical fulfillment from listening to jazz, rock, R&B, classical music, metal, and polka dance techno, and another gets his musical "fulfillment" from only listening to thrash metal exclusively. One will not be more fulfilled than the other; if music is meant to be listened to for enjoyment, than both will enjoy the music they listen to equally. One will not be more fulfilled than the other.


OK, then, not 'fufilled' either. :P

A person who listens to more genres sees more, gets a wider variety of life. Like me recently getting into Power Metal, my horizons have broadened considerably. Compare me then to me now, and whatever word you use to describe the difference is the owrd I'm looking for.


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I don't quite understand this. Say one person gets his musical fulfillment from listening to jazz, rock, R&B, classical music, metal, and polka dance techno, and another gets his musical "fulfillment" from only listening to thrash metal exclusively. One will not be more fulfilled than the other; if music is meant to be listened to for enjoyment, than both will enjoy the music they listen to equally. One will not be more fulfilled than the other.


OK, then, not 'fufilled' either. :P

A person who listens to more genres sees more, gets a wider variety of life. Like me recently getting into Power Metal, my horizons have broadened considerably. Compare me then to me now, and whatever word you use to describe the difference is the owrd I'm looking for.


So basically, in the end what you're saying is that a person who listens to more things is a person who listens to and likes more things. :wink:


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So basically, in the end what you're saying is that a person who listens to more things is a person who listens to and likes more things. :wink:


:lol:

I didn't mean that, but it's pointless trying to argue when I can't say it. Maybe another time, I'm sure the subject will pop up again...


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it makes you open minded if you really like what you listen to, otherwise it just makes you, like Jurgen said, a poser.


Oh, that goes without saying. But I think it's fair to say that people who listen to a variety of stuff and enjoy it, are more musically...'mature' (is that the right word? You know what I mean) than those that stick to Metal or Rap or whatever.


That is such bullshit. "Musically mature." What a bunch of pretentious crap.


Mature was the wrong word, admittedly. You know what I meant...

Maybe 'fufilled'? It's down to perspective.


I don't quite understand this. Say one person gets his musical fulfillment from listening to jazz, rock, R&B, classical music, metal, and polka dance techno, and another gets his musical "fulfillment" from only listening to thrash metal exclusively. One will not be more fulfilled than the other; if music is meant to be listened to for enjoyment, than both will enjoy the music they listen to equally. One will not be more fulfilled than the other.


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i agree with Zad that certain people have more it than others. that was the word you were looking for, it.

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I can't see the problem with Leeeeeeeeee either, it's just that I think it's pathetic that a clever man still listens to metal only when being 37,


I don't think you should say this... open mindedness can only offer you so much, then you need something your heart's into- which is often just one genre for many people.


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I think it's pathetic that a clever man still listens to metal only when being 37.


If someone is satisfied with listening to metal only, then why should he listen to other stuff? To impress you? That's called being a poser.

I listen to a bunch of different styles of music, but i don't judge people based on how many different genres of music they like. I respect people who listen to what the fuck they please and are true to theirselves.

True.


Indeed. I hate people who spout off about how "open-minded" they are just as much as Elitists. Just because you listen to different genres of music doesn't make you special, or profound, or on a "higher" level than someone who only listens to Metal.

1. Jürgen didn't copy the wink, I was just trying to sound like leeeeeee
2. Open-minded is the opposite of close-minded, elitism is the opposite of being a mainstream fag that has no clue about music or someone who listens to everything. I'm an open-minded elitist.
3. That doesn't take you to a higher ground indeed, musically (what does? knowledge?). But bashing genres that you haven't even given a chance because they're not the metal you accidently grow into does lower your level. I think that answers the last questions as well.


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Define Infinity wrote:
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it makes you open minded if you really like what you listen to, otherwise it just makes you, like Jurgen said, a poser.


Oh, that goes without saying. But I think it's fair to say that people who listen to a variety of stuff and enjoy it, are more musically...'mature' (is that the right word? You know what I mean) than those that stick to Metal or Rap or whatever.


That is such bullshit. "Musically mature." What a bunch of pretentious crap.


Mature was the wrong word, admittedly. You know what I meant...

Maybe 'fufilled'? It's down to perspective.


I don't quite understand this. Say one person gets his musical fulfillment from listening to jazz, rock, R&B, classical music, metal, and polka dance techno, and another gets his musical "fulfillment" from only listening to thrash metal exclusively. One will not be more fulfilled than the other; if music is meant to be listened to for enjoyment, than both will enjoy the music they listen to equally. One will not be more fulfilled than the other.


Precisely.


I think being open minded is about being open to trying all types of music, but it doesn't mean you have to like it. Its simply not dimissing anything utill you hear it. As for people who listen to a wide slection of music, that really means they have a broader taste, not that they are any more open minded.


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i don't like Stefan, he gave me herpes the other day :cry:


I don't like Kim... he didn't swallow :evil: :wink:

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Zad wrote:
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it makes you open minded if you really like what you listen to, otherwise it just makes you, like Jurgen said, a poser.


Oh, that goes without saying. But I think it's fair to say that people who listen to a variety of stuff and enjoy it, are more musically...'mature' (is that the right word? You know what I mean) than those that stick to Metal or Rap or whatever.


That is such bullshit. "Musically mature." What a bunch of pretentious crap.


Mature was the wrong word, admittedly. You know what I meant...

Maybe 'fufilled'? It's down to perspective.


I don't quite understand this. Say one person gets his musical fulfillment from listening to jazz, rock, R&B, classical music, metal, and polka dance techno, and another gets his musical "fulfillment" from only listening to thrash metal exclusively. One will not be more fulfilled than the other; if music is meant to be listened to for enjoyment, than both will enjoy the music they listen to equally. One will not be more fulfilled than the other.


Precisely.


I think being open minded is about being open to trying all types of music, but it doesn't mean you have to like it. Its simply not dimissing anything utill you hear it. As for people who listen to a wide slection of music, that really means they have a broader taste, not that they are any more open minded.


100% agreed


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i don't like Stefan, he gave me herpes the other day :cry:


I don't like Kim... he didn't swallow :evil: :wink:


bah.. as if you have anything i could swallow in the first place :roll: u hardly had any balls :twisted: :wink:


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stuartn15ted wrote:
Define Infinity wrote:
Brahm_K wrote:
Zad wrote:
Brahm_K wrote:
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Azrael wrote:
it makes you open minded if you really like what you listen to, otherwise it just makes you, like Jurgen said, a poser.


Oh, that goes without saying. But I think it's fair to say that people who listen to a variety of stuff and enjoy it, are more musically...'mature' (is that the right word? You know what I mean) than those that stick to Metal or Rap or whatever.


That is such bullshit. "Musically mature." What a bunch of pretentious crap.


Mature was the wrong word, admittedly. You know what I meant...

Maybe 'fufilled'? It's down to perspective.


I don't quite understand this. Say one person gets his musical fulfillment from listening to jazz, rock, R&B, classical music, metal, and polka dance techno, and another gets his musical "fulfillment" from only listening to thrash metal exclusively. One will not be more fulfilled than the other; if music is meant to be listened to for enjoyment, than both will enjoy the music they listen to equally. One will not be more fulfilled than the other.


Precisely.


I think being open minded is about being open to trying all types of music, but it doesn't mean you have to like it. Its simply not dimissing anything utill you hear it. As for people who listen to a wide slection of music, that really means they have a bro

I would say most people are open to trying all types of music. There are very few people who will say "I don't like jazz" before hearing it. If this is what your definition of open minded is going to be, then nearly everyone is openminded; only poseurish assholes aren't.

And I agree that this "open minded" stuff is a type of elitism. Just, instead of "we're so much better than you because we listen to this genre and we know everything about it" its "we're so much better because we're open minded." Mind you, I'm not accusing anyone here of doing this (well, maybe Misha, but I can never tell when he's joking with these things), but that is a type of elitism that I see quite often


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Zad. I hate Jews.

On a more serious note, I'd probably say Define Infinity. He's on the level now, but in a thread a while back he whined on for no apparent reason (and with even less sense).



Are you talking about the Borknagar discussion?


Yeah, I guess. Do mind that I have nothing against you or anyone else, just had to pick you as that discussion was a bit over-the-top in some places and, well, it simply was the most recent.

I think I'm member number 23 or sth on this board, but I've never really settled here like others have. That's because I stay out of pointless arguments, which is also why my post count is so low compared to other veteran members. So really Define Infinity, that short, slight bickering we had in the Borknagar topic was the first and only argument I had on here, which is why you got my vote. Don't take it too serious.

Despite my pacifism I still hate Jews, though.


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stuartn15ted wrote:
Define Infinity wrote:
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it makes you open minded if you really like what you listen to, otherwise it just makes you, like Jurgen said, a poser.


Oh, that goes without saying. But I think it's fair to say that people who listen to a variety of stuff and enjoy it, are more musically...'mature' (is that the right word? You know what I mean) than those that stick to Metal or Rap or whatever.


That is such bullshit. "Musically mature." What a bunch of pretentious crap.


Mature was the wrong word, admittedly. You know what I meant...

Maybe 'fufilled'? It's down to perspective.


I don't quite understand this. Say one person gets his musical fulfillment from listening to jazz, rock, R&B, classical music, metal, and polka dance techno, and another gets his musical "fulfillment" from only listening to thrash metal exclusively. One will not be more fulfilled than the other; if music is meant to be listened to for enjoyment, than both will enjoy the music they listen to equally. One will not be more fulfilled than the other.


Precisely.


I think being open minded is about being open to trying all types of music, but it doesn't mean you have to like it. Its simply not dimissing anything utill you hear it. As for people who listen to a wide slection of music, that really means they have a bro


I would say most people are open to trying all types of music. There are very few people who will say "I don't like jazz" before hearing it. If this is what your definition of open minded is going to be, then nearly everyone is openminded; only poseurish assholes aren't.

And I agree that this "open minded" stuff is a type of elitism. Just, instead of "we're so much better than you because we listen to this genre and we know everything about it" its "we're so much better because we're open minded." Mind you, I'm not accusing anyone here of doing this (well, maybe Misha, but I can never tell when he's joking with these things), but that is a type of elitism that I see quite often


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I think being open minded is about being open to trying all types of music, but it doesn't mean you have to like it. Its simply not dimissing anything utill you hear it. As for people who listen to a wide slection of music, that really means they have a broader taste, not that they are any more open minded.


I would say most people are open to trying all types of music. There are very few people who will say "I don't like jazz" before hearing it. If this is what your definition of open minded is going to be, then nearly everyone is openminded; only poseurish assholes aren't.

And I agree that this "open minded" stuff is a type of elitism. Just, instead of "we're so much better than you because we listen to this genre and we know everything about it" its "we're so much better because we're open minded." Mind you, I'm not accusing anyone here of doing this (well, maybe Misha, but I can never tell when he's joking with these things), but that is a type of elitism that I see quite often


I know what you mean about elitism, but that is a different argument to the one of open mindedness.

You can find elitism in many places in life, members of posh golf clubs are elitist, horse riding is elitist, polo is elistist. My point is that when people join what they perceive to be an exclusive club, they become susceptible to elitism. It happens in music as we all know. It seems to me to be a part of human nature. its not being open minded, or a metal head that makes people elitist, but the fact they they feel part of an exclusive 'club' that gives them their sence of superiority.


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Haha yes, barely legal would have been the superior choice of words. Let's try it out in place of Zad's word "mature," shall we?

[Oh, that goes without saying. But I think it's fair to say that people who listen to a variety of stuff and enjoy it, are more musically..."barely legal" (is that the right word? You know what I mean) than those that stick to Metal or Rap or whatever.]

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I've had sex with 2,384 women. In the end, it's all vagina.


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I've had sex with 2,384 women. In the end, it's all vagina.


and how many were under-aged prostitutes ? :wink:


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I'm in complete agreement with Brahm on this one.

Just because a person only listens to a single genre it does not make them "close-minded." If I'm completely happy listening to various genres of Metal and Rock, then why should I feel compelled to try other things when I'm satisfied with the way things are progressing for me? the day may come when I seek out something new, but for just now I'm happy with what I have (Metal is a huuuge playground) and no fear of appearing "close-minded" or immature is going to change that.

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And I agree that this "open minded" stuff is a type of elitism. Just, instead of "we're so much better than you because we listen to this genre and we know everything about it" its "we're so much better because we're open minded." Mind you, I'm not accusing anyone here of doing this (well, maybe Misha, but I can never tell when he's joking with these things), but that is a type of elitism that I see quite often


This is very true. Having an open mind and being Open Minded (trademark) are two differnet things.


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I would say most people are open to trying all types of music. There are very few people who will say "I don't like jazz" before hearing it. If this is what your definition of open minded is going to be, then nearly everyone is openminded; only poseurish assholes aren't.

And I agree that this "open minded" stuff is a type of elitism. Just, instead of "we're so much better than you because we listen to this genre and we know everything about it" its "we're so much better because we're open minded." Mind you, I'm not accusing anyone here of doing this (well, maybe Misha, but I can never tell when he's joking with these things), but that is a type of elitism that I see quite often

Brahm, if there are winks, then I'm joking, and there were.
I also want to point out that being open to other music does not mean listening to it once and say you don't like it. Open-minded means you're going to try it a little harder than that, try to let it grow on you, to see how you like it in the end. And that is something that a lot of people don't do here, although I think I changed quite a few in that...


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I've had sex with 2,384 women. In the end, it's all vagina.


and how many were under-aged prostitutes ? :wink:


You mean over 90's prostitutes!


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