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Don't tell me you're one of those hippie fuckheads who think that a body doesn't need food and can get everything it needs from the sun and air and water.


No, I think it's an extreme diet.

ElTipo, whateverthefuckyourrealnameis, mate, don't. You'll be in a coma after two weeks, on a drip.


Unless he's on hunger strike for some worthy cause?


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You don't need to go on a hunger strike to lose weight, in winter I cut down junk food, coca cola and fatty foods and ate vergetables all the time, I was never hungry and I lost like 15 pounds in a month.


Smoking helps you not eat, if you're intrested.


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Don't tell me you're one of those hippie fuckheads who think that a body doesn't need food and can get everything it needs from the sun and air and water.


No, I think it's an extreme diet.

ElTipo, whateverthefuckyourrealnameis, mate, don't. You'll be in a coma after two weeks, on a drip.


Unless he's on hunger strike for some worthy cause?


No cause is worthy of starving yourself to death over. NONE.


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I love the mass hysteria. It's not deadly. A person can go up to 40 days (safely) without food. It's been done and noted in medical journals everywhere. Trust me, I wouldn't do something I hadn't researched like mad before. If you all look it up you'll see that it isn't very dangerous. As for why? It's a natural cleanser of the body. When you deny your body food, the metabolic processes switch from consuming protein, to a state called Ketosis in which fat cells are broken down and from them the Ketones are instead used. After the first few days the body no longer requires food and continues this metabolic process until it runs out of fat and the body is cleansed. At this point the body asks for food once more, and consumption can once again begin.


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Don't tell me you're one of those hippie fuckheads who think that a body doesn't need food and can get everything it needs from the sun and air and water.


No, I think it's an extreme diet.

ElTipo, whateverthefuckyourrealnameis, mate, don't. You'll be in a coma after two weeks, on a drip.


Unless he's on hunger strike for some worthy cause?


No cause is worthy of starving yourself to death over. NONE.


I'd hunger strike to stop Neighbours being cancelled by Wimbledon. Or I would have, until I found a site where you can download episodes for free.


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Zad wrote:
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Don't tell me you're one of those hippie fuckheads who think that a body doesn't need food and can get everything it needs from the sun and air and water.


No, I think it's an extreme diet.

ElTipo, whateverthefuckyourrealnameis, mate, don't. You'll be in a coma after two weeks, on a drip.


Unless he's on hunger strike for some worthy cause?


No cause is worthy of starving yourself to death over. NONE.


Zad, there's a difference between starvation and fasting. Starvation is when the body is not consuming food and begins to decompose bodily tissues other than fat to provide for energy needs. When fasting the body uses reserves. Starvation begins at then end of fasting, when there are no longer reserves to provide the healthy functioning of the body.

Also, the danger of a coma lies in whether or not a faster knows how to exit a fast. If after 30 days of not eating I go straight for a steak my body will have shock induced and I would enter a coma and die within the hour. Instead, after the fast, it's preferable that the body be fed with juices for atleast 7 days, after which it can once again begin a normal diet.


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I love the mass hysteria. It's not deadly. A person can go up to 40 days (safely) without food. It's been done and noted in medical journals everywhere. Trust me, I wouldn't do something I hadn't researched like mad before. If you all look it up you'll see that it isn't very dangerous. As for why? It's a natural cleanser of the body. When you deny your body food, the metabolic processes switch from consuming protein, to a state called Ketosis in which fat cells are broken down and from them the Ketones are instead used. After the first few days the body no longer requires food and continues this metabolic process until it runs out of fat and the body is cleansed. At this point the body asks for food once more, and consumption can once again begin.


Sounds mental. Even day-long fasts reduce me to weakness, so how the hell...


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ElTipo wrote:
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rio wrote:
Zad wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Don't tell me you're one of those hippie fuckheads who think that a body doesn't need food and can get everything it needs from the sun and air and water.


No, I think it's an extreme diet.

ElTipo, whateverthefuckyourrealnameis, mate, don't. You'll be in a coma after two weeks, on a drip.


Unless he's on hunger strike for some worthy cause?


No cause is worthy of starving yourself to death over. NONE.




Zad, there's a difference between starvation and fasting. Starvation is when the body is not consuming food and begins to decompose bodily tissues other than fat to provide for energy needs. When fasting the body uses reserves. Starvation begins at then end of fasting, when there are no longer reserves to provide the healthy functioning of the body.

Also, the danger of a coma lies in whether or not a faster knows how to exit a fast. If after 30 days of not eating I go straight for a steak my body will have shock induced and I would enter a coma and die within the hour. Instead, after the fast, it's preferable that the body be fed with juices for atleast 7 days, after which it can once again begin a normal diet.


So what's the point?


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rio wrote:
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Zad wrote:
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Zad wrote:
Kathaarian wrote:
Don't tell me you're one of those hippie fuckheads who think that a body doesn't need food and can get everything it needs from the sun and air and water.


No, I think it's an extreme diet.

ElTipo, whateverthefuckyourrealnameis, mate, don't. You'll be in a coma after two weeks, on a drip.


Unless he's on hunger strike for some worthy cause?


No cause is worthy of starving yourself to death over. NONE.




Zad, there's a difference between starvation and fasting. Starvation is when the body is not consuming food and begins to decompose bodily tissues other than fat to provide for energy needs. When fasting the body uses reserves. Starvation begins at then end of fasting, when there are no longer reserves to provide the healthy functioning of the body.

Also, the danger of a coma lies in whether or not a faster knows how to exit a fast. If after 30 days of not eating I go straight for a steak my body will have shock induced and I would enter a coma and die within the hour. Instead, after the fast, it's preferable that the body be fed with juices for atleast 7 days, after which it can once again begin a normal diet.


So what's the point?


Self Discipline, humility, empowerment of the body and mind. Also, it reduces blood pressure. I have hypertension, and I prefer not eating for 30 days than having to take meds the rest of my life.


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It sounds like completely idiotic thing to do, there are better and safer ways to lose weight.

I already feel weak and I haven't eaten in 5 hours, mmmmmhmhmh cookies.


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Zad wrote:
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I love the mass hysteria. It's not deadly. A person can go up to 40 days (safely) without food. It's been done and noted in medical journals everywhere. Trust me, I wouldn't do something I hadn't researched like mad before. If you all look it up you'll see that it isn't very dangerous. As for why? It's a natural cleanser of the body. When you deny your body food, the metabolic processes switch from consuming protein, to a state called Ketosis in which fat cells are broken down and from them the Ketones are instead used. After the first few days the body no longer requires food and continues this metabolic process until it runs out of fat and the body is cleansed. At this point the body asks for food once more, and consumption can once again begin.


Sounds mental. Even day-long fasts reduce me to weakness, so how the hell...


Weakness is accompanied only with the first few days of the fast, as humans are creatures of habit and breaking the habit of eating is difficult.


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Self Discipline, humility, empowerment of the body and mind. Also, it reduces blood pressure. I have hypertension, and I prefer not eating for 30 days than having to take meds the rest of my life.


Any 'scientific' plan that speaks of humility, self-disciplin, and empowerment is not science. I want to see your sources that say that this is ok.

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Weakness is accompanied only with the first few days of the fast, as humans are creatures of habit and breaking the habit of eating is difficult.


Yeah, because EATING IS NATURAL!!!!


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Kathaarian wrote:
It sounds like completely idiotic thing to do, there are better and safer ways to lose weight.

I already feel weak and I haven't eaten in 5 hours, mmmmmhmhmh cookies.


It's not so much for weight loss as it is for testament to my endurance and willpower. I already eat healthy and swim like a bastard 4 hours a day.


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Self Discipline, humility, empowerment of the body and mind. Also, it reduces blood pressure. I have hypertension, and I prefer not eating for 30 days than having to take meds the rest of my life.


Any 'scientific' plan that speaks of humility, self-disciplin, and empowerment is not science. I want to see your sources that say that this is ok.

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Weakness is accompanied only with the first few days of the fast, as humans are creatures of habit and breaking the habit of eating is difficult.


Yeah, because EATING IS NATURAL!!!!


Google it. You'll get thousands upon thousands of reliable scientific sources.


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Self Discipline, humility, empowerment of the body and mind. Also, it reduces blood pressure. I have hypertension, and I prefer not eating for 30 days than having to take meds the rest of my life.


Any 'scientific' plan that speaks of humility, self-disciplin, and empowerment is not science. I want to see your sources that say that this is ok.

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Weakness is accompanied only with the first few days of the fast, as humans are creatures of habit and breaking the habit of eating is difficult.


Yeah, because EATING IS NATURAL!!!!


Google it. You'll get thousands upon thousands of reliable scientific sources.


The first result I got linked to another page where a guy claimed to have cured cancer by taking barley leaves. Maybe you could tell me exactly what words I should be typing in here? :roll:


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieting#Sc ... ntation.29


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Zad wrote:
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Self Discipline, humility, empowerment of the body and mind. Also, it reduces blood pressure. I have hypertension, and I prefer not eating for 30 days than having to take meds the rest of my life.


Any 'scientific' plan that speaks of humility, self-disciplin, and empowerment is not science. I want to see your sources that say that this is ok.

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Weakness is accompanied only with the first few days of the fast, as humans are creatures of habit and breaking the habit of eating is difficult.


Yeah, because EATING IS NATURAL!!!!


Google it. You'll get thousands upon thousands of reliable scientific sources.


The first result I got linked to another page where a guy claimed to have cured cancer by taking barley leaves. Maybe you could tell me exactly what words I should be typing in here? :roll:


Mmm... that sounds a little sketchy. Here's a few:
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyg ... asting.pdf (PDF)
http://www.healthy.net/clinic/therapy/fast/ (Multiple things to read through)
http://www.healthpromoting.com/Articles ... therap.htm

That's just a few.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieting#Scientific_analysis_of_the_dangers_of_fasting_.28and_discussion_of_partial_fasting_with_protein_supplementation.29


Wikipedia won't open for me for some reason. Could you maybe post the main points?


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From the sound of it, you have to be completely resting during it. Not living a normal life. Are you doing that?

Anyway, most of these so-called professionals are out to leech money from the rich.
One of those sites said that fasting can cure cancer. This is complete rubbish. I hope you haven't given money to any of them...

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieting#Scientific_analysis_of_the_dangers_of_fasting_.28and_discussion_of_partial_fasting_with_protein_supplementation.29


Wikipedia won't open for me for some reason. Could you maybe post the main points?


Hmm, funny, it's not working here either. It said basically that the brain can't survive on fats alone, and needs glucose as well.


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From the sound of it, you have to be completely resting during it. Not living a normal life. Are you doing that?

Anyway, most of these so-called professionals are out to leech money from the rich.
One of those sites said that fasting can cure cancer. This is complete rubbish. I hope you haven't given money to any of them...


No no no, I'm a greedy little man and don't give away money, and I haven't done anything but sit at home, sleep, and maybe go to a friend's house and hang around.


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