Metal Reviews

whoa! fuck me! this website really is something special. had some nice reading just now!

anyways, didn't NM have an album with [n]88[/b] songs? 8 = h; 88 = HH, HH = Heil Hitler (that's what a black metal fan said on another forum anyway). if so than at least NM, among the NSBM bands, are believers in that... er.. philosophy. and, therefore, they wouldn't have any qualms about putting their ideals into practise [and since that is more a practical thing rather than a belief].

as for the lyrics affecting the listening when i don't agree with them, i don't really know, as usually i listen before i see the lyrics, and when i listen i never liked them. it never happened to me to listen to something, like it, and find out that it is NS. if it happened, though, i believe one can't fight narrow-mindedness with narrow-mindedness, and a true show of tolerance would be to accept what is being transmitted, regardless of its stance against oneself.

and not being white myself, i have asked myself - would i go see them live? would i buy an album?



100% agreed.

and Seinfeld, my reasons for not being religious have nothing to do with the music. in fact i daresay you won't find that level of stupidity in this message board at all.

as for the racist lyrics being seen with different eyes than, say, usualy death metal lyrics, you have to see here that racism is real and trully wrong, offensive and harmful. some guy screaming about death is tongue-in-cheek and only harmful when put into practise, which you know it is not meant to be.
of course, if they keep it at that (mere belief), i don't care. everyone has the right to believe in whatever they want. things go wrong once these ideas are forced on others, and as far as i know, NS is all about actual practise.

I know I'm late to this one, and maybe it's already been said, but while Nazi is an abbreviation of national socialist party, it came to be a deep perversion of the party's original intent, from which Hitler's vision was quite disassociated.. so the word Nazi shouldn't immediately be related to that sort of socialism.

Personally, I feel that I can sing (growl?) along with so-called offensive stuff without endorsing the lyricist's point of view. I doubt many people relate with the truly extreme themes.

Well, i thought the editorial was about lyrics in general. But going through it, well, it was just something different. And the posts...... Man, these things just go over my head. Religion and other beliefs is not something i would discuss/argue on forum simply because it's a never ending argument that bores me easily. Anyway, regarding the lyrics, if I like them, I listen to them. If i do find them offensive, i don't. But so far, I haven't come across any offensive lyrics. But then again I haven't listend to every band in the world. So many bands out there that i wanna check out.

The thing about pointing to NSBM lyrics as an example of when the content overwhelms the music itself is that it's so fucking easy as to be essentially effortless. Why does it matter if someone really believes that all Jews must die? It's likely that you pass many, many people on the street daily who believe in these things.

Are we to round them up and slaughter them like hogs? No, we are to pity them, to laugh in their faces, to mentally point and inwardly shout 'Hey, look at the idiot!'

Nokturnal Mortum is filled to the brim with these people. Do I hate them? No, even though I'm Jewish. I pity them. There is no point to answering hate with indifference, as that is equivalent to 'turning the other cheek.' There is also no point to fighting hate with hate, as you will end up with two people, face to face, screaming with utter fury into each others' visages, screaming like the entire world depended on their opinions, red-faced and hate-filled.

You must answer hate with pity, for if one is truly foolish enough to hate, he is also foolish enough to pity.

Truthfully, this is a world of opposites and reconcilation, which is why dark exists at all, to trail behind the light. But you needn't indulge in one or the other. To live in either the black or the white is to limit yourself. Live in the shades of gray, and only then will you see the truth: that there is no such thing as truth innately, that the entire world is a seething, writhing mess of conflicting opinions, lies told by default, and lies told by schemers.

Strive towards the gray, and ignore the black, for those who immerse themselves in it are to be pitied.

Wise words, but will you buy a nokturnal mortum cd when you really like the samples you have listened to?

Sometimes I wonder how much of it is hatred of Jews and how much of it is hatred of Jews based on their relationship with Judeo-christian religion, therefore being a misdirected hatred of a group of people as a whole, which in turn is based on limited intellectual capacity.
I understand the religion angle, that is to say, attacking judeo- christian dogma, as opposed to people, but to lump a whole race of people together as one bad/ all bad is obviously ridiculous.
V.

Of course. I could fucking care less what those guys think if the music is great.

The pity does not get in the way of enjoying the music.

Ok, good, the strive towards the grey thing got me confused on that matter. Same thing here, if I don't like their lyrics, I don't read them :roll:

I'm not going to support any bands with a bullshit cause. Their culture may have been "ruined" by others, but what the fuck are lyrics like that going to achieve nowadays. Racism/prejudice doesnt get anyone anywhere period.

However, most people that participate in those beliefs have their heads so far up their asses, its going to take more than a forum to change that .

The most annoying thing is you have to be Russian to know wtf they're on about anyway

see i went to their site (www.thepaganfront.com) and they quite blatantly are NS in the Nazi sense... come on guys, one is wearing a swastika! They call themselves "Aryan Black Metal", and they have an article there which is basically "101 reasons why black people are stupid" (only worded more pretentiously).

What a bunch of c+++s :roll:

and they complain about how jews have raped their slavonic heritage, yet call themselves "Aryan".... do they think Hitler would have preserved it? Can someone help my puny mind understand their logic?

no, probably because it almost too funny to laugh about...

Agreed, we legitamise them by taking them seriously. Laugh at the fools.