Evanescence - The Open Door (#3568)

MetalWizard · **Joined:** Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:04 pm **Posts:** 75

Eyesore wrote:

MetalWizard, don't make assumptions about what kind of music fan I am! I question everything a band does; but I also try to never have expectations because expecations are hardly ever met or exceeded. If it's good I will say so; if not, I will also say so.

And like you suggest people should question bands and their decisions, I think it's more important to question "fans" and their stupid comments. After all, the fan is what keeps the music world moving along the tracks. To suggest Ben Moody gave the band direction is insane. This album is very consistent in style! And that style would be Amy Lee's style, I presume, since Moody left. But even with that in mind, the album does not stray from the formula of Fallen, it only adds to it.

But let's go over the tracks on Fallen and The Open Door, just for comparison.

Fallen:

01. Going Under (contains piano, electronics, and orchestration)
02. Bring Me To Life (contains piano, electronics, an asshole rapping, and orchestration)
03. Everybody's Fool (contains acoustics, piano, electronics, orchestration)
04. My Immortal (contains only piano and orchestration)
05. Haunted (contains electronics and orchestration)
06. Tourniquet (contains keyboard, electronics, and orchestration)
07. Imaginary (contains acoustics, piano, and orchestration)
08. Taking Over Me (contains piano and orchestration)
09. Hello (contains only piano and orchestration)
10. My Last Breath (contains piano, electronics, and orchestration)
11. Whisper (contains piano, electronics, and orchestration)

The Open Door:

01. Sweet Sacrifice (contains orchestration)
02. Call Me When You're Sober (contains piano, electronics, and orchestration)
03. Weight Of The World (contains acoustics, piano, electronics, and orchestration)
04. Lithium (contains piano and orchestration)
05. Cloud Nine (contains piano, electronics, and orchestration)
06. Snow White Queen (contains piano and electronics)
07. Lacrymosa (contains piano, electronics, and orchestration)
08. Like You (contains piano, electronics, and orchestration)
09. Lose Control (contains piano and electronics)
10. The Only One (contains piano, electronics, and orchestration)
11. Your Star (contains piano, electronics, and orchestration)
12. All That I'm Living For (contains piano, electronics, and orchestration)
13. Good Enough (contains only piano and orchestration)

Frankly, I'm shocked that they changed so drastically. :lame:

Look here EYESORE....I don't really give a damn about your opinion!! I don't assume to know jack about your musical tastes nor do I or would I ever care. I joined this forum to give my thoughts and just keep moviing on. You're the person that has to beat people into submission with your views! Music is very subjective. Everyone has different tatses. So here I am, on my back, legs in the air, as my golden retriever does when he gives up. I raise the white flag. Please for God's sake go enjoy The Open Door and leave me alone. People like you make places like this miserable.

Bottom Line....Don't go away mad...just GO AWAY!!

Eyesore · **Posted:** Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:50 am

Lebleu wrote:

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I don't really take the quation system too seriously, I hardly ever look at it in fact. But my point was that a score of 60 was way out of line with the actual review. Whether you'd like to call a score of 60 fair, average, good, it doesn't matter. It still wouldn't fit with the impression I got when reading the actual text itself.

I don't too, that was the point of my remark. I also agree with you that the 60 score didn't fit with the text. If you only read the text, you would believe it got a 20 score.

The only thing I'm saying is when you take a quick look through the reviews without reading the text, you tend to think that something scored 75 is bad when, according to the quotation system, is supposed to represent something VERY GOOD.

But it was only a small complaint...it won't stop me from getting a good night of sleep.

I'm still surprised over the reaction this comment got ! lol! I mean...their jobs is to review someone else's work. Yet, when we make a small complaint about THEIR work...they get all upset ! lol!

Still, the reviews are great, keep up the good work ! Long live METAL REVIEWS !! :dio:

I think the wording on the site may be a little misleading when it comes to the scores. I think you just need know that a 1 sucks, a 5 is mediocre, and a 9 is awesome. A 10 would be held for those true masterpieces (which are few and far, far between).

We all know the scale of 1 through 10. It's not hard to figure out.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:08 am

MetalWizard wrote:

Look here EYESORE....I don't really give a damn about your opinion!! I don't assume to know jack about your musical tastes nor do I or would I ever care. I joined this forum to give my thoughts and just keep moviing on. You're the person that has to beat people into submission with your views! Music is very subjective. Everyone has different tatses. So here I am, on my back, legs in the air, as my golden retriever does when he gives up. I raise the white flag. Please for God's sake go enjoy The Open Door and leave me alone. People like you make places like this miserable.

Bottom Line....Don't go away mad...just GO AWAY!!

What I find funny is when people go on the offensive and never expect anyone to swing back. In your 4th or 5th post on this forum you came swinging with this:

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You seem to be the kind of fan that will never ever question what one of your favorite performers produces. Amy could lay the biggest musical turd ( which I think she has) and you eat it up and say...more please.

This is you assuming to "know jack about my musical tastes." Music is very subjective, and I do give my opinion on music; how is this any different than what you have done here? You gave your opinion! You slandered this album and Amy Lee. Now—what?—no one can do the opposite? Here I am presenting the opposite side of the discussion and I'm somehow beating people into submission?!?! :huh:

Why would you say that? Because I proved that The Open Door is not very different from Fallen? It's exactly the same; there's just more of it: more piano, more orchestration, more electronics, and yes, more Amy Lee. I never said you had to like it. I never tried to convince people that their opinion of this album sucking is somehow wrong.

I like to discuss music; if you want to just stroll through and drop some ignorant shit-bombs along the way I'm going to call you out. This isn't meant to be hurtful or hateful or anything but normal musical discussion. If you're not willing to defend your argument then how is that an issue with me? If you throw a punch you can't cry when someone hits you back (this is meant to prove a point, not meant to insinuate you were throwing "punches").

But anyway, stick around, enjoy the forum; it's a good forum.

Dylan@Metalreviews · **Posted:** Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:13 am

You guys are lucky Eyesore has been fighting with only one e-hand tied behind his back in this forum battle. :dio:

MetalWizard · **Joined:** Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:04 pm **Posts:** 75

.......get a life. My response was directed at your assault on my first post here. So, go fall on your sword. Martyr.

I didn't slander anything! As you put it, it was my opinion. When were you officially commissioned to defend Amy Lee/Evanescence? Is it a paying gig or are you supplying your services as pro bono? I never threw a punch at you. Do you have any shread of a clue how juvenille you sound. I'm not crying I'm merely calling you out on how utterly ridiculous all of your statements sound!! Perhaps your "opinions" are
shit-bombs and not the glorious gospel you seem to think you profess. You need to relax.

You've proved my point. You're still beating the drum. Let it go. We're done here. Nothing else to see. Move along.

You would think you had some personal stake in Amy Lee/Evanescence.

MetalWizard · **Joined:** Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:04 pm **Posts:** 75

Dylan@Metalreviews wrote:

You guys are lucky Eyesore has been fighting with only one e-hand tied behind his back in this forum battle. :dio:

I feel so lucky now that you've relayed that vital information! I would assume by that comment that EYESORE is the "king of the block" around here. I'm so overjoyed that I joined if I have this constant barrage to look forward to.

derncare · **Joined:** Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:40 am **Posts:** 731

MetalWizard wrote:

You've proved my point. You're still beating the drum. Let it go.

I felt inclined to mention that you also replied, so you're kind of beating the drum yourself.

There are others here who don't like Eyesore's approach when he debates, but I think you're being pretty sensitive if his first reply to you was offensive in any way. He gave his own opinions in response to yours. You yourself act as if he is in the wrong because he likes Evanescence and that it bothers you because it's such a different opinion than yours. It's a debate. Yes, Eyesore can be really defensive of his opinions at times, but it is just a debate with differences of opinions. Don't take it personally. You should see him and leee go at it. You'd think WWIII was about to get going sometimes, but in the end, it's a debate, and it's not worth getting upset over. If you don't like the possibility of a heated debate, don't engage, and don't keep replying if you don't want it to keep going.

Dylan@Metalreviews · **Posted:** Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:15 am

MetalWizard wrote:

Dylan@Metalreviews wrote:

You guys are lucky Eyesore has been fighting with only one e-hand tied behind his back in this forum battle. :dio:

I feel so lucky now that you've relayed that vital information! I would assume by that comment that EYESORE is the "king of the block" around here. I'm so overjoyed that I joined if I have this constant barrage to look forward to.

Geeze man, I was just kidding, no need to douse your reply in sarcasm. However, he does know his shit and how to form a good argument.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:04 am

MetalWizard wrote:

.......get a life. My response was directed at your assault on my first post here. So, go fall on your sword. Martyr.

Get a life, huh? Isn't this your seventh reply? With my words, I assaulted no one here. I gave my opinion in no different a manner than you or anyone else. In fact, I'd say those attacking this album and Amy Lee are going about it in a much more forceful way than I am.

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I didn't slander anything! As you put it, it was my opinion. When were you officially commissioned to defend Amy Lee/Evanescence? Is it a paying gig or are you supplying your services as pro bono? I never threw a punch at you. Do you have any shread of a clue how juvenille you sound. I'm not crying I'm merely calling you out on how utterly ridiculous all of your statements sound!! Perhaps your "opinions" are
shit-bombs and not the glorious gospel you seem to think you profess. You need to relax.

Are you insane? I just said above that I'm not insinuating you threw a "punch." Did you miss that part? And, sorry, I dont' sound juvenile because I'm not whining like you. I gave the opinion that The Open Door is a good album. Just like you gave the opinion that The Open Door is not a good album. That's juvenile? I need to relax? What school of logic did you flunk out of?

If you think The Open Door is so different in sound you should be able to back that up. I've never said anyone here who DISLIKES the album is wrong, did I? So what are you arguing about again? Why are you getting so angry?

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You've proved my point. You're still beating the drum. Let it go. We're done here. Nothing else to see. Move along.

You would think you had some personal stake in Amy Lee/Evanescence.

A personal stake in Amy Lee, huh? Because I choose to not agree with you? You can't be serious. My apologies to you if you can't understand why someone would not agree with your opinion on The Open Door.

Like I said, feel free to stick around, this is a good forum; but I'd have to say you don't seem to be good at introductions.

MetalWizard · **Joined:** Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:04 pm **Posts:** 75

Just like the Energizer bunny.........

you keep going and going and going...................................

Look, as I have attempted to explain but I can't seem to make the connection so you understand. You like the CD and I don't. I don't have to bring in my legal brief to an online forum to back up anything. You have your view I have mine. It's really that simple. You, IMO, just seem to be on some kind of crusade concerning me and this CD.

Now...for the lat time. LET IT GO!!

derncare · **Joined:** Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:40 am **Posts:** 731

MetalWizard wrote:

Just like the Energizer bunny.........

you keep going and going and going...................................

And so do you.

You're quite capable of letting go as well. He is not out to get you. He just likes to debate music, and Eyesore is one to bring everything to the table when he does, despite the heated four pagers that sometimes result :wink:

If you don't like engaging in debates like that, it's fine, but you don't have to get upset with those who do, and if you keep responding, you're inviting further conversation on the subject. Don't take things so personal and you can have a good time here

MetalWizard · **Joined:** Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:04 pm **Posts:** 75

derncare wrote:

MetalWizard wrote:

Just like the Energizer bunny.........

you keep going and going and going...................................

And so do you.

You're quite capable of letting go as well. He is not out to get you. He just likes to debate music, and Eyesore is one to bring everything to the table when he does, despite the heated four pagers that sometimes result :wink:

If you don't like engaging in debates like that, it's fine, but you don't have to get upset with those who do, and if you keep responding, you're inviting further conversation on the subject. Don't take things so personal and you can have a good time here

Thanks for your 2 cents....I won't spend it all in one place.

Here's the rub. It's fine to debate the material on any given CD. I don't subscribe to the theory of implying that someone is flat out wrong for having their own opinion. That is what I feel is being levied here. I get the sense that senior Eyesore is in the habit of making people feel inferior or somehow wrong for having an opposing view. That's all I'm trying communicate here.

A better reply to someone's comments would be: I'm sorry you feel that way. I like the CD for whatever reasons.....etc. Or perhaps just post a comment describing your own personal views that don't directly take someone one. It's fine that anyone here likes this CD. I don't fault them for it. However ,it in no way makes one superior because they like it.

That's all I'm saying. I don't need my comments dissected like a frog in biology class. It's really pointless.

Ok?

Ness · **Posted:** Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:04 pm

MetalWizard wrote:

derncare wrote:

MetalWizard wrote:

Just like the Energizer bunny.........

you keep going and going and going...................................

And so do you.

You're quite capable of letting go as well. He is not out to get you. He just likes to debate music, and Eyesore is one to bring everything to the table when he does, despite the heated four pagers that sometimes result :wink:

If you don't like engaging in debates like that, it's fine, but you don't have to get upset with those who do, and if you keep responding, you're inviting further conversation on the subject. Don't take things so personal and you can have a good time here

Thanks for your 2 cents....I won't spend it all in one place.

Here's the rub. It's fine to debate the material on any given CD. I don't subscribe to the theory of implying that someone is flat out wrong for having their own opinion. That is what I feel is being levied here. I get the sense that senior Eyesore is in the habit of making people feel inferior or somehow wrong for having an opposing view. That's all I'm trying communicate here.

A better reply to someone's comments would be: I'm sorry you feel that way. I like the CD for whatever reasons.....etc. Or perhaps just post a comment describing your own personal views that don't directly take someone one. It's fine that anyone here likes this CD. I don't fault them for it. However ,it in no way makes one superior because they like it.

That's all I'm saying. I don't need my comments dissected like a frog in biology class. It's really pointless.

Ok?

You need to go back to English class.

derncare · **Joined:** Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:40 am **Posts:** 731

MetalWizard wrote:

Thanks for your 2 cents....I won't spend it all in one place.

That's exactly the kind of response that's going to get people on your case.

Misha · **Posted:** Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:20 pm

MetalWizard wrote:

I would assume by that comment that EYESORE is the "king of the block" around here.

He tries... :wink:

Eyesore · **Posted:** Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:56 pm

MetalWizard wrote:

Just like the Energizer bunny.........

you keep going and going and going...................................

Look, as I have attempted to explain but I can't seem to make the connection so you understand. You like the CD and I don't. I don't have to bring in my legal brief to an online forum to back up anything. You have your view I have mine. It's really that simple. You, IMO, just seem to be on some kind of crusade concerning me and this CD.

Now...for the lat time. LET IT GO!!

I will let it go when you make sense. Just admit that you can't stand it when someone doesn't agree with you. Yes, I like the CD and you do not; but I never had issues with your opinion on the quality of music on the CD.

:wub:

Eyesore · **Posted:** Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:03 pm

MetalWizard wrote:

Thanks for your 2 cents....I won't spend it all in one place.

Must you be so insulting?

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Here's the rub. It's fine to debate the material on any given CD. I don't subscribe to the theory of implying that someone is flat out wrong for having their own opinion. That is what I feel is being levied here. I get the sense that senior Eyesore is in the habit of making people feel inferior or somehow wrong for having an opposing view. That's all I'm trying communicate here.

And how many times have I said I don't care about your opposing view. You can't expect to have an opinion on music and just have everyone agree with you! And that's exactly what you want here. I'm not attacking you; I'm not insulting you. I gave my opinion, and I did so in NO DIFFERENT A MANNER THAN YOU DID! I don't intend to make anyone feel inferior; if you feel inferior after my words were posted maybe you should have a stronger opinion on something; because if I feel that something is inaccurate I'm going to say so. That's how it is. At the end of the day, if you're feeling inferior that's your fault for lacking confidence, not mine.

Your problem is that I didn't just counter with "well I like this CD and I think it's very good." I actually took all the complaints about The Open Door and compared them to Fallen. And what happens when it's clearly shown that there really isn't much difference in the style? You get PISSED! Clearly. Why is that?

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A better reply to someone's comments would be: I'm sorry you feel that way. I like the CD for whatever reasons.....etc. Or perhaps just post a comment describing your own personal views that don't directly take someone one. It's fine that anyone here likes this CD. I don't fault them for it. However ,it in no way makes one superior because they like it.

That's all I'm saying. I don't need my comments dissected like a frog in biology class. It's really pointless.

Ok?

Too bad. That's how a forum works. That's how a conversation works. That's how a debate works. You just want to be able to spout off anything you want and you don't want anyone touching it. You want them to either agree with you or leave it alone. How boring.

Eyesore · **Posted:** Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:04 pm

Misha wrote:

MetalWizard wrote:

I would assume by that comment that EYESORE is the "king of the block" around here.

He tries... :wink:

Bah! I'm a lover of music, not a fighter. :lame:

The Professor · **Joined:** Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:00 pm **Posts:** 49

Eyesore wrote:

The Professor wrote:

Not to take the focus off the debate, but if it's "a whole album full of self-pitying, oh poor me maudling," then shouldn't it be called "emo-goth" instead of "pop goth?" Pop can be fun, but an emo release is usually "a whole album full of self-pitying, oh poor me maudling."

Anyway, I haven't heard this release, so I'm not commenting on the songs. However, I'm repulsed by whining, so I think I'll probably be passing on it...

It's not that at all, though. "Call Me When You're Sober" is the only song even remotely like that.

Oh, okay. I'll just skip that song, then.

MetalWizard · **Joined:** Fri Nov 24, 2006 5:04 pm **Posts:** 75

derncare wrote:

MetalWizard wrote:

Thanks for your 2 cents....I won't spend it all in one place.

That's exactly the kind of response that's going to get people on your case.

Like I care!

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