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I still hear thrash guys. I 've been listening to hard rock/metal since 1980. I was there for the inception of thrash and every form it has taken since. I know you guys love to dissect these things under an electron microscope, sometimes ad nauseam. I'm sure there are nuances of different styles heard here but it's thrash at it's "core" ( no pun intended). :wink:


I guess you haven't heard. Modern Production=Psuedo-thrash or Metalcore. There apparently hasn't been a "True" Thrash Metal album produced since 1992.


Oh come on. Stop attacking strawmen. There have been many thrash albums since 1992, many of which are fantastic and better than a lot of 80s thrash- nobody in this thread has cited the modern production as a reason for why this album isn't thrash. I might as well say: "I guess you haven't heard. Palm-muting+groove=BRUTAL THRASH METAL." I haven't though, because that would be cockfacetacular.

We disagree. I call this album not-thrash. You call it thrash. Whatever.


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modern production makes for not-thrash because thrash implies energy in the music and modern production makes music sound like it was performed by robots ^_^


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Come on, anything with an ounce of Thrash in it can be called Thrash. Sounds Thrash to me...

And those clean vocals made me wonder if I was listening to the right band. Is everyone else ok with them?


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Yeah, it's metalcore because it has breakdowns. Nevermind the fact that Anthrax was using breakdowns back in the 80's, I guess they are metalcore too.


Its metalcore because the riffs aren't thrash- they may have a slight thrash tinge to them, just like Killswitch Engage's can, but they're still not thrash. And either way, they're pretty boring.


That's kind of weak. I mean, if you don't think it's Thrash then fine. But really, I see metalcore as being a product of those bands listening to a whole shitload of different metal bands/styles, and cherrypicking the stuff they liked from each one. You can't automatically equate a modern album you don't happen to like with metalcore though. I have heard some metalcore, and aside from this album possesing some "breakdownage", something Thrash bands have done for a long time, I'm not hearing the metalcore here.


Sorry, phrased that badly- its not metalcore because its not thrash, its metalcore because the riffs are generally in that direction- not just the breakdowns, but the slower pace, the pseudo thrash, the groove- these are all metalcore symptoms.


In what year would all of you say Metalcore officially started?

As for the slower tempos, Exodus started showing these styles on an album like Force of Habit. They also started writing longer songs as well.....


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I think metalcore started after Far Beyond Driven by Pantera... but who cares. stop being such genre-whores, and try to enjoy the music. if you don't like it, fine. if you do, fine.


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I still hear thrash guys. I 've been listening to hard rock/metal since 1980. I was there for the inception of thrash and every form it has taken since. I know you guys love to dissect these things under an electron microscope, sometimes ad nauseam. I'm sure there are nuances of different styles heard here but it's thrash at it's "core" ( no pun intended). :wink:


I guess you haven't heard. Modern Production=Psuedo-thrash or Metalcore. There apparently hasn't been a "True" Thrash Metal album produced since 1992.


Oh come on. Stop attacking strawmen. There have been many thrash albums since 1992, many of which are fantastic and better than a lot of 80s thrash- nobody in this thread has cited the modern production as a reason for why this album isn't thrash. I might as well say: "I guess you haven't heard. Palm-muting+groove=BRUTAL THRASH METAL." I haven't though, because that would be cockfacetacular.

We disagree. I call this album not-thrash. You call it thrash. Whatever.


You're the one making strawman arguments with terms like "Psuedo-thrash" which isn't even a word. I'd bet a dollar to doughnuts that if this album had the classic, shitty band in-a-closet sound of just about every Thrash metal album to come out of the 80's, everyone would be saying how badass, and a return to form it is. As for metalcore, I haven't even heard the idiots over at the metal-archives make that outlandish correlation yet, and they are usually the first to start making such comments. Most of the negative reviews I've read of the album complain about the somewhat repetitive nature of the songs themselves, not making sweeeping claims like Exodus has gone metalcore. It's the same damn thing they've been doing since Tempo of the Damned, just with a different singer and an admittedly soulless production from Andy "I make everybody sound the same" Sneap. I heard the same comments being thrown around about United Abominations earlier this year, yet everytime I listen to it, I hear Dave chugging away on most of the songs just like he's always done. There's a big difference between saying you don't like something, and making comments like it's not Thrash because I don't like it. I can't stand Death Angel's "Frolic Through the Park", but I'm more than willing to admit that it is Thrash.


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Seeing as I didn't like any of the newer Exodus I've heard, I doubt I'll like this one.


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Seeing as I didn't like any of the newer Exodus I've heard, I doubt I'll like this one.


Pretty much.


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Eternal Idol wrote:
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I still hear thrash guys. I 've been listening to hard rock/metal since 1980. I was there for the inception of thrash and every form it has taken since. I know you guys love to dissect these things under an electron microscope, sometimes ad nauseam. I'm sure there are nuances of different styles heard here but it's thrash at it's "core" ( no pun intended). :wink:


I guess you haven't heard. Modern Production=Psuedo-thrash or Metalcore. There apparently hasn't been a "True" Thrash Metal album produced since 1992.


Oh come on. Stop attacking strawmen. There have been many thrash albums since 1992, many of which are fantastic and better than a lot of 80s thrash- nobody in this thread has cited the modern production as a reason for why this album isn't thrash. I might as well say: "I guess you haven't heard. Palm-muting+groove=BRUTAL THRASH METAL." I haven't though, because that would be cockfacetacular.

We disagree. I call this album not-thrash. You call it thrash. Whatever.


You're the one making strawman arguments with terms like "Psuedo-thrash" which isn't even a word. I'd bet a dollar to doughnuts that if this album had the classic, shitty band in-a-closet sound of just about every Thrash metal album to come out of the 80's, everyone would be saying how badass, and a return to form it is. As for metalcore, I haven't even heard the idiots over at the metal-archives make that outlandish correlation yet, and they are usually the first to start making such comments. Most of the negative reviews I've read of the album complain about the somewhat repetitive nature of the songs themselves, not making sweeeping claims like Exodus has gone metalcore. It's the same damn thing they've been doing since Tempo of the Damned, just with a different singer and an admittedly soulless production from Andy "I make everybody sound the same" Sneap. I heard the same comments being thrown around about United Abominations earlier this year, yet everytime I listen to it, I hear Dave chugging away on most of the songs just like he's always done. There's a big difference between saying you don't like something, and making comments like it's not Thrash because I don't like it. I can't stand Death Angel's "Frolic Through the Park", but I'm more than willing to admit that it is Thrash.

yeah this is right


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You're the one making strawman arguments with terms like "Psuedo-thrash" which isn't even a word. I'd bet a dollar to doughnuts that if this album had the classic, shitty band in-a-closet sound of just about every Thrash metal album to come out of the 80's, everyone would be saying how badass, and a return to form it is. As for metalcore, I haven't even heard the idiots over at the metal-archives make that outlandish correlation yet, and they are usually the first to start making such comments. Most of the negative reviews I've read of the album complain about the somewhat repetitive nature of the songs themselves, not making sweeeping claims like Exodus has gone metalcore. It's the same damn thing they've been doing since Tempo of the Damned, just with a different singer and an admittedly soulless production from Andy "I make everybody sound the same" Sneap. I heard the same comments being thrown around about United Abominations earlier this year, yet everytime I listen to it, I hear Dave chugging away on most of the songs just like he's always done. There's a big difference between saying you don't like something, and making comments like it's not Thrash because I don't like it. I can't stand Death Angel's "Frolic Through the Park", but I'm more than willing to admit that it is Thrash.


First of all, calling something pseudo thrash is not a strawman argument- :wink: I called it metalcore because thats what it sounds like to me, irregardless of whether or not I like it. I like some metalcore- I listen to Shadows Fall and All Out War and All That Remains. I dislike some thrash. You're implying that I don't like it, and therefore call it metalcore as a means of discrediting it. But I'm not. I'm calling it a boring album, and also one that happens to be largely not thrash, just like the past two Exodus albums, which have largely focused on groove as opposed to thrash riffs; once again, I can enjoy Scar Spangled Banner even though I think its largely not a thrash song. Whatever, you disagree that its not thrash. But really, stop being so goddamn melodramatic and attributing all these assumptions to me- "it doesn't have thrash production, so its not thrash!" I in many ways prefer more modern production to the "band in a closet" sound- give me Destruction's "The Antichrist" production over Eternal Devastation's any day. I think this album is boring. I also think it has a largely metalcore, groovy base to it with some thrash influence, in the tradition of the last two Exodus albums. Huzzah.


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I think everyone is forgetting since I called it thrash in the genre label, it's thrash without question.


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Dylan@Metalreviews wrote:
I think everyone is forgetting since I called it thrash in the genre label, it's thrash without question.


Argument settled.


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Dylan@Metalreviews wrote:
I think everyone is forgetting since I called it thrash in the genre label, it's thrash without question.


:wink: I'm totally on board with that one. If Dylan says it's thrash then damn it is!! At this point it's irrefutable, this Exodus CD is thrash. Case closed.


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Go Dylan Go!

I really like this album, the repetitiveness is cool. kinda gives it a jam feeling to it for me. Songs I would love to see live that's for sure. I wold give this album a score somewhere in the 80's.

And Brahm how dare you say that about Desturction. Shame, shame on you.


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