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Norman Finkelstein - The Holocaust Industry
Niccoló Machiavelli - Il Principe
Is that as anti-semitic as it sounds? And The Prince is awesome assuming that it is 'Il Principe".

Now reading Lolita by Nabokov.


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traptunderice wrote:
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Norman Finkelstein - The Holocaust Industry
Niccoló Machiavelli - Il Principe
Is that as anti-semitic as it sounds?


Not really... he argues that pro-Israelis are using the Holocaust to drum up support for themselves, even though they're treating the Palestinians like dirt and the Holocaust reparation money goes more to the solicitors than the actual victims.

There might be something in it, and I'm sure some do use it as a manipulative device, but I really doubt that it's a huge conspiracy like Finkelstein argues. He's of the Chomsky school of thought as far as I know, so not really anti-semitic, just highly critical. Jews who want to be goys, as I heard one Orthodox Rabbi describe 'em. :P


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Finkelstein's pretty much an over-the-top Jiddish name, so I doubt he could be described as antisemitic :lol:


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Karmakosmonaut wrote:
Finkelstein's pretty much an over-the-top Jiddish name, so I doubt he could be described as antisemitic :lol:
I noticed that but I wouldn't be surprised if a Jew wrote an antisemitic book. Salman Rushdie and Ibn Warraq are very Arabic anti-Islamic writers but it is a bit different case.

Zad is probably right in that their argument has some validity but it not being an elaborate conspiracy. I guess I'd have to read it to see if they could prove that wrong though.

I postponed Lolita to read Kerouac's On the Road finally. The first 5-6 chapters make hitchhiking sound so romantic and appealing. Also reading King Lear and Shakespeare's Sonnet for my British Literature class.


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Bernard Cornwell- Sword Swong
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Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson...I dunno.

Also just finished A Streetcar Named Desire for school.


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Rage - Stephen King for the nth time...


Sanity:
You can go through your whole life telling yourself that life is logical, life is prosaic, life is sane. Above all, sane. And I think it is. I've had a lot of time to think about that. And what I keep coming back to is Mrs. Underwood's dying dec­laration: So you understand that when we increase the number of variables, the axioms themselves never change.
I really believe that.
I think; therefore I am. There are hairs on my face; therefore I shave. My wife and child have been critically injured in a car crash; therefore I pray. It's all log­ical, it's all sane. We live in the best of all possible worlds, so hand me a Kent for my left, a Bud for my right, turn on Starsky and Hutch, and listen to that soft, harmonious note that is the universe turning smoothly on its celestial gyros. Logic and sanity. Like Coca‑Cola, it's the real thing.
But as Warner Brothers, John D. MacDonald, and Long Island Dragway know so well, there's a Mr. Hyde for every happy Jekyll face, a dark face on the other side of the mirror. The brain behind that face never heard of razors, prayers, or the logic of the universe. You turn the mirror sideways and see your face reflected with a sinister left‑hand twist, half mad and half sane. The astronomers call that line between light and dark the terminator.
The other side says that the universe has all the logic of a little kid in a Hallow­een cowboy suit with his guts and his trick‑or‑treat candy spread all over a mile of Interstate 95. This is the logic of napalm, paranoia, suitcase bombs carried by happy Arabs, random carcinoma. This logic eats itself. It says life is a monkey on a stick, it says life spins as hysterically and erratically as the penny you flick to see who buys lunch.
No one looks at that side unless they have to, and I can understand that. You look at it if you hitch a ride with a drunk in a GTO who puts it up to one‑ten and starts blubbering about how his wife turned him out; you look at it if some guy decides to drive across Indiana shooting kids on bicycles; you look at it if your sister says "I'm going down to the store for a minute, big guy" and then gets killed in a stickup. You look at it when you hear your dad talking about slitting your mom's nose.
It's a roulette wheel, but anybody who says the game is rigged is whining. No matter how many numbers there are, the principle of that little white jittering ball never changes. Don't say it's crazy. It's all so cool and sane.
And all that weirdness isn't just going on outside. It's in you too, right now, growing in the dark like magic mushrooms. Call it the Thing in the Cellar. Call it the Blow Lunch Factor. Call it the Loony Tunes File. I think of it as my private dinosaur, huge, slimy, and mindless, stumbling around in the stinking swamp of my subconscious, never finding a tarpit big enough to hold it.
But that's me, and I started to tell you about them, those bright college‑bound students that, metaphorically speaking, walked down to the store to get milk and ended up in the middle of an armed robbery. I'm a documented case, routine grist for the newspaper mill. A thousand newsboys hawked me on a thousand street corners. I had fifty seconds on Chancellor‑Brinkley and a column and a half in Time. And I stand here before you (metaphorically speaking, again) and tell you I'm perfectly sane. I do have one slightly crooked wheel upstairs, but everything else is ticking along just four‑o, thank you very much.
So, them. How do you understand them? We have to discuss that, don't we?


Apropos to current (and not so current) events, and a damn good read to boot.

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On the Road just made me hate the beats for being immature and selfish despite making hitchhiking so attractive.

Now: Norman Mailer - The Gospel According to the Son. Jesus' life from Jesus' perspective with Mailer's cynicism throughout the narrative.


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Thomas Pynchon - The Crying of Lot 49


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following the reaper wrote:
Thomas Pynchon - The Crying of Lot 49
That book is really goofy but mildly good if you can get through it. I've been wanting to tackle Gravity's Rainbow for a while but it's difficult.


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traptunderice wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Thomas Pynchon - The Crying of Lot 49
That book is really goofy but mildly good if you can get through it. I've been wanting to tackle Gravity's Rainbow for a while but it's difficult.


Ok i just finished it and i cant make head nor tails of the ending :wacko:


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Brookmyre's fans should check this one out!


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following the reaper wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
following the reaper wrote:
Thomas Pynchon - The Crying of Lot 49
That book is really goofy but mildly good if you can get through it. I've been wanting to tackle Gravity's Rainbow for a while but it's difficult.


Ok i just finished it and i cant make head nor tails of the ending :wacko:
It ends without finishing itself.


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These are the books I am currently reading:

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A little out of control (and sad). Haha.


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These are the books I am currently reading:

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A little out of control (and sad). Haha.
I've got Strunk and White's Elements of Style :lol:


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Heart of Darkness


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Bernard Malamud - The Assistant

Neal Stephenson - Snow Crash

Richard Wright - Native Son

Neil Gaiman - American Gods

Oscar Wilde - The Picture of Dorian Gray


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Dylan@Metalreviews wrote:
I've got Strunk and White's Elements of Style :lol:

Kayla's the one that told me about that book, back when I decided to quit going for the music career and switch to writing. Grammar is like all that music theory I've forgotten since I studied it in school. I can play the guitar, but can't tell you what a B flat is anymore. Haha. In the same respect, I can write, but I've just forgotten the basics by sight, if that makes any sense. I know what's right and wrong, but I couldn't point out why. Haha.

So I'm now doing some refresher training.


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Petronius- The Satyricon

The first Roman novel (that we have) and man, is it bizarre and hilarious. Its about a male prostitute named Encolpius who becomes impotent and goes on a quest to regain his virility.


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Read The Shining last week. My first foray into King's work, where to go from there?


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