Now Gaming

DevotedWalnut · **Posted:** Thu Dec 11, 2008 7:51 pm

EdgeOfForever wrote:

DevotedWalnut wrote:

So you play games to die?

That's weird. I play games to have fun. Bioshock delivers lots of fun. We are 2 very different people.

Yes, we are very different people.

Bioshock is a fun little game with very little story, good atmosphere and a fancy little twist at the end. I've played way too many games to be impressed by this, and a plot twist at the end doesn't make a good story.

Sure, I used to have fun with easy games that don't require more than button-mashing to get through. But nowadays that just doesn't do it for me. When I started playing Bioshock I chose the hardest difficulty, and still got very little satisfaction out of the game. There's just no point in playing a game that doesn't challenge you. If I can't die in an FPS, I don't think there's any point in playing it.

I'll agree that there is fun stuff to do in it, like combining your powers with the environment and whatnot, but is it as good as the critics say? No smegging way. Is it worth buying? Not at retail price.

Oh, and I just have to mention the good/evil system, lulz. Either you choose to kill kids and recieve a reward instantly, or not kill kids and recieve a bigger reward seconds later. Wow, those are some deep moral choices. The whole game is kind of like the good/evil system. It seems good at first glance, but it's all very shallow and pointless and only meaningful if you use your imagination.

Well, we have found something that we disagree with. I bought Bioshock for retial price when it first came out, and I very much enjoyed it. A dark creepy game with an alright story, and good gameplay. Yes the good/evil system is nothing special, but it at least give you a bit of an option to play the game different and gives you different endings. I still can't understand your gripes with dying, why do you play a game to die? How is that fun? Yeah at times Bioshock could be a little more difficult, but in say CoD there is really no punishment for death, so why hate on Bioshock?We disagree, whatever. Shit happens. I will be getting Bioshock 2, and I look forward to our disagreements when that comes out.

EdgeOfForever · **Posted:** Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:03 pm

DevotedWalnut wrote:

EdgeOfForever wrote:

DevotedWalnut wrote:

So you play games to die?

That's weird. I play games to have fun. Bioshock delivers lots of fun. We are 2 very different people.

Yes, we are very different people.

Bioshock is a fun little game with very little story, good atmosphere and a fancy little twist at the end. I've played way too many games to be impressed by this, and a plot twist at the end doesn't make a good story.

Sure, I used to have fun with easy games that don't require more than button-mashing to get through. But nowadays that just doesn't do it for me. When I started playing Bioshock I chose the hardest difficulty, and still got very little satisfaction out of the game. There's just no point in playing a game that doesn't challenge you. If I can't die in an FPS, I don't think there's any point in playing it.

I'll agree that there is fun stuff to do in it, like combining your powers with the environment and whatnot, but is it as good as the critics say? No smegging way. Is it worth buying? Not at retail price.

Oh, and I just have to mention the good/evil system, lulz. Either you choose to kill kids and recieve a reward instantly, or not kill kids and recieve a bigger reward seconds later. Wow, those are some deep moral choices. The whole game is kind of like the good/evil system. It seems good at first glance, but it's all very shallow and pointless and only meaningful if you use your imagination.

Well, we have found something that we disagree with. I bought Bioshock for retial price when it first came out, and I very much enjoyed it. A dark creepy game with an alright story, and good gameplay. Yes the good/evil system is nothing special, but it at least give you a bit of an option to play the game different and gives you different endings. I still can't understand your gripes with dying, why do you play a game to die? How is that fun? Yeah at times Bioshock could be a little more difficult, but in say CoD there is really no punishment for death, so why hate on Bioshock?We disagree, whatever. Shit happens. I will be getting Bioshock 2, and I look forward to our disagreements when that comes out.

Because Bioshock is an FPS/RPG. The Big Daddies are supposedly enemies that you should only kill if your weapons and skills are strong enough. The problem is that if you can't die, you can go on a rampage without worrying about risks, you can slowly grind down their hit points.

Goat · **Posted:** Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:17 pm

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

You can get CoD1 with the expansion for five quid or something now, I suggest you treat yourself to that.

£5.56 from Amazon, I'm trusting yoo guise...

And whoever said Crysis wasn't good clearly hasn't played it.

heatseeker · **Posted:** Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:28 am

EdgeOfForever wrote:

DevotedWalnut wrote:

EdgeOfForever wrote:

DevotedWalnut wrote:

So you play games to die?

That's weird. I play games to have fun. Bioshock delivers lots of fun. We are 2 very different people.

Yes, we are very different people.

Bioshock is a fun little game with very little story, good atmosphere and a fancy little twist at the end. I've played way too many games to be impressed by this, and a plot twist at the end doesn't make a good story.

Sure, I used to have fun with easy games that don't require more than button-mashing to get through. But nowadays that just doesn't do it for me. When I started playing Bioshock I chose the hardest difficulty, and still got very little satisfaction out of the game. There's just no point in playing a game that doesn't challenge you. If I can't die in an FPS, I don't think there's any point in playing it.

I'll agree that there is fun stuff to do in it, like combining your powers with the environment and whatnot, but is it as good as the critics say? No smegging way. Is it worth buying? Not at retail price.

Oh, and I just have to mention the good/evil system, lulz. Either you choose to kill kids and recieve a reward instantly, or not kill kids and recieve a bigger reward seconds later. Wow, those are some deep moral choices. The whole game is kind of like the good/evil system. It seems good at first glance, but it's all very shallow and pointless and only meaningful if you use your imagination.

Well, we have found something that we disagree with. I bought Bioshock for retial price when it first came out, and I very much enjoyed it. A dark creepy game with an alright story, and good gameplay. Yes the good/evil system is nothing special, but it at least give you a bit of an option to play the game different and gives you different endings. I still can't understand your gripes with dying, why do you play a game to die? How is that fun? Yeah at times Bioshock could be a little more difficult, but in say CoD there is really no punishment for death, so why hate on Bioshock?We disagree, whatever. Shit happens. I will be getting Bioshock 2, and I look forward to our disagreements when that comes out.

Because Bioshock is an FPS/RPG. The Big Daddies are supposedly enemies that you should only kill if your weapons and skills are strong enough. The problem is that if you can't die, you can go on a rampage without worrying about risks, you can slowly grind down their hit points.

I'm pretty sure that you have to kill the Big Daddies to go on to the next level. But I'm not sure. Your gripes are valid, but like Walnut, I don't really see how they make the game bad. If you want to be challenged out of your mind, go play Devil May Cry 3 or something. It seems like you're faulting it for not being something it's not trying to be.

And on a side note, I guess I'm the only one that thought the story was amazing. I've never played another FPS that came anywhere close to Bioshock in terms of story quality and the only other game I would say is close is MGS3. I always thought the old RPG stories that everyone claims are so great (Chrono Trigger, FFVII) are just cheesy and not that compelling. My opinion, though.

Another side note. I thought the fact that they made you choose whether to kill the Little Sisters or not is pretty damn sweet...again, something I've never seen in a FPS game and only elsewhere in Fallout 3 and Fable 2, both of which came out after Bioshock...

Also I think you expected to find an FPS/RPG fusion, but it's not really that. It's a FPS with RPG elements--closer to COD4 with the perk system than Oblivion or something like that.

But obviously I'm a fanboy so whatev.

Karmakosmonaut · **Posted:** Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:23 am

Grand Belial's Tea wrote:

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

You can get CoD1 with the expansion for five quid or something now, I suggest you treat yourself to that.

£5.56 from Amazon, I'm trusting yoo guise...

Buy it. CoD1 is amazing. It'll look and feel a bit old, but if you liked Medal of Honor: AA you'll love it. United Offensive is also one of the few expansion packs with a better single player campaign than the original. There's also still a healthy multiplayer scene for it. But if you really like, it, get CoD2 next, and work your way up the series. Things get better with every installment.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:45 pm

Final Fantasy VIII, in my opinion, had one of the most spotty storylines of any RPG in history. I mean, come on. Are we honestly supposed to believe that Squall, Rhinoa, Quistis, Selphie, etc. knew each other since childhood, somehow forgot about their time at the orphanage (because of their Guardian Forces) and then just randomly bumped into each other? Sounds like the game's writers really ran out of ideas there. And let's not even get started on Squall's schizophrenic personality and the whole love triangle between him, Quistis and Rhinoa.

Rhys · **Posted:** Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:08 pm

Seinfeld26 wrote:

Final Fantasy VIII, in my opinion, had one of the most spotty storylines of any RPG in history. I mean, come on. Are we honestly supposed to believe that Squall, Rhinoa, Quistis, Selphie, etc. knew each other since childhood, somehow forgot about their time at the orphanage (because of their Guardian Forces) and then just randomly bumped into each other? Sounds like the game's writers really ran out of ideas there. And let's not even get started on Squall's schizophrenic personality and the whole love triangle between him, Quistis and Rhinoa.

Chrono Cross uses pretty much the same plot doesn't it?

The_Voice · **Posted:** Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:15 am

following the reaper wrote:

Seinfeld26 wrote:

Final Fantasy VIII, in my opinion, had one of the most spotty storylines of any RPG in history. I mean, come on. Are we honestly supposed to believe that Squall, Rhinoa, Quistis, Selphie, etc. knew each other since childhood, somehow forgot about their time at the orphanage (because of their Guardian Forces) and then just randomly bumped into each other? Sounds like the game's writers really ran out of ideas there. And let's not even get started on Squall's schizophrenic personality and the whole love triangle between him, Quistis and Rhinoa.

Chrono Cross uses pretty much the same plot doesn't it?

No Chrono Cross plot is way better than Final Fantasy VIII, is extremely complicated but IMO is one of the best plots of any RPG i've ever played.

Final Fantasy VIII is basicaly a love story i really like the game but just like seinfeld mentioned there are some parts of the plot that just dont make sense.

Rhys · **Posted:** Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:27 am

I just know lots of people complain about the same kind of things in Chrono Cross, about the time travel and stuff... although I think that game gets criticized more than anything due to being the sequel to the BEST RPG EVAR!! lol

Azrael · **Posted:** Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:43 pm

http://kotaku.com/5107102/watch-a-portu ... et-fighter

retarded portuguese humour, subtitled for your viewing pleasure.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:01 pm

following the reaper wrote:

I just know lots of people complain about the same kind of things in Chrono Cross, about the time travel and stuff... although I think that game gets criticized more than anything due to being the sequel to the BEST RPG EVAR!! lol

Any sequel to "one of the greatest games of all time" is going to take at least some criticism. Super Mario Brothers 2, Zelda 2, Metal Gear Solid 2, to a lesser extent Half-Life 2. All have taken their fair share of critiicism.

Rhys · **Posted:** Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:16 pm

Seinfeld26 wrote:

following the reaper wrote:

I just know lots of people complain about the same kind of things in Chrono Cross, about the time travel and stuff... although I think that game gets criticized more than anything due to being the sequel to the BEST RPG EVAR!! lol

Any sequel to "one of the greatest games of all time" is going to take at least some criticism. Super Mario Brothers 2, Zelda 2, Metal Gear Solid 2, to a lesser extent Half-Life 2. All have taken their fair share of critiicism.

Half Life 2 owns Half Life by miles!

And I mean, Super Mario 2 did have you like, pulling turnips out of the ground as weapons and throwing eggs at effeminate egg-shooting dinosaurs... lol

Embraced · **Posted:** Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:47 pm

following the reaper wrote:

Seinfeld26 wrote:

following the reaper wrote:

I just know lots of people complain about the same kind of things in Chrono Cross, about the time travel and stuff... although I think that game gets criticized more than anything due to being the sequel to the BEST RPG EVAR!! lol

Any sequel to "one of the greatest games of all time" is going to take at least some criticism. Super Mario Brothers 2, Zelda 2, Metal Gear Solid 2, to a lesser extent Half-Life 2. All have taken their fair share of critiicism.

Half Life 2 owns Half Life by miles!

And I mean, Super Mario 2 did have you like, pulling turnips out of the ground as weapons and throwing eggs at effeminate egg-shooting dinosaurs... lol

How much crack did you smoke today?

I spent all of last night playing Project Gotham Racing 4 with a friend. We finished it off with an epic bike vs car battle on the Nurburgring track. Man that was awesome.

The_Voice · **Posted:** Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:08 pm

following the reaper wrote:

Seinfeld26 wrote:

following the reaper wrote:

I just know lots of people complain about the same kind of things in Chrono Cross, about the time travel and stuff... although I think that game gets criticized more than anything due to being the sequel to the BEST RPG EVAR!! lol

Any sequel to "one of the greatest games of all time" is going to take at least some criticism. Super Mario Brothers 2, Zelda 2, Metal Gear Solid 2, to a lesser extent Half-Life 2. All have taken their fair share of critiicism.

Half Life 2 owns Half Life by miles!

And I mean, Super Mario 2 did have you like, pulling turnips out of the ground as weapons and throwing eggs at effeminate egg-shooting dinosaurs... lol

Yeah but that wasnt really a Mario game it was some japanese game that they decided to put Mario sprites for the americans to buy it, that being said the game was really cool way better than the "real" Mario 2 but of course Mario 3 owns them all.

And im not sure about Chrono Cross most sites gave the game really high scores IGN gave it a 9.7 and Gamespot a 10, although the story was indeed really confusing with all the time and dimension travelling and when you get to the part when the plot gets "explained" and it gets connected with Trigger it just isnt that clear but the story is actually great you just have to give it a little thought.

Seinfeld26 · **Posted:** Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:13 pm

Chrono Cross, from what I've seen, is one of those games that a lot of critics raved about - I think even getting Game Of The Year in 2000 - but a lot of gamers gave mixed reactions to (I personally love it, though).

Mintrude · **Posted:** Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:24 pm

Age Of Empires: Still holding up, I must say.

DevotedWalnut · **Posted:** Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:56 am

I played Fable 2 for the first time since Fallout 3 came out. So it was nice for a bit of a change. It was also really nice to turn it on load up my world and instantly get 76 000 gold. I must say I speant a lot gold the other day.

Anyway, playing for the 2 hours I played has gotten me back into it. And I will be playing it quite religiously again.

Sifl · **Posted:** Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:54 am

COD: WaW online...you should play me.

Gamertag: Sifl88

Sifl · **Posted:** Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:55 am

Seinfeld26 wrote:

Chrono Cross, from what I've seen, is one of those games that a lot of critics raved about - I think even getting Game Of The Year in 2000 - but a lot of gamers gave mixed reactions to (I personally love it, though).

Chrono Trigger > Chrono Cross... I love Cross but Trigger is just something I can play over and over and I can't think of another RPG I can replay. Maybe Im just old school.

SoulSociety · **Posted:** Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:04 pm

Grand Belial's Tea wrote:

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

You can get CoD1 with the expansion for five quid or something now, I suggest you treat yourself to that.

£5.56 from Amazon, I'm trusting yoo guise...

And whoever said Crysis wasn't good clearly hasn't played it.

Played it. Beat it. Not good.

Actually it's not shit, but it's definitely overrated. people are too distracted by the graphics to note the samey gameplay (shoot, stealth, move a bit, shoot, stealth, repeat) and the fact that all the other suit functions are useless. And that's without mentioning how bad the game gets when the aliens are introduced, then it becomes a generic shooter as you can't use stealth against them.

Metal Reviews

Now Gaming

Who is online