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Just finished Planet of Slums. Written like a sociology text, it explained example after example about how SAPs have turned the third world into a land of slums and gated communities with no middle ground. Shit floats down stream contaminating and polluting people's drinking water as they live in shantytowns with little to subsist on. There is no majestic, romantic life for a bum; they are an exploited underclass of marginalized citizens, expendable to the system.

It describes "hot demolitions" which is where slumlords send flaming cats through shantytowns in order to set them ablaze so the slumlords can collect the insurance. And the "wage puzzle" of how Africans in some areas make so little money (legally, illegally, formally, informally) researchers simply do not understand how they can survive.

It's a brilliant book on land inequality. Mike Davis, the author, is a well known Marxist sociologist who is absolutely amazing when he kicks into theory mode as opposed to science mode. His ultimate thesis becomes in the epilogue when the U.S. military is practicing invading urban centers who are they planning on exterminating? Terrorists or the poor people pushed to the brink living in their own and others' shit, infected with cholera, AIDS, dysentery and in debt to the World Bank twice as much as it would take to treat these wide epidemics, raping their families.


Heh, sounds neat, I've been meaning to read some of his stuff.
I have City of Quartz and it's really dense right now cause I have no understanding of the geography of LA whatsoever. Once I get past the geography stuff it should be alright. My prof also recommended his book on empire and car bombs and Ecology of Fear, which is about natural disasters and California and how development of the area encourages it.

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Also, just reaching the fun part of Capital, where the chapters stop being called things like "Money, or the circulation of commodities" and start being called things like "Bloody legislation against the expropriated since the 15th century".
I've been looking for some Marx to read. I've only really read The Communist Manifesto and a bunch of excerpts for sociology courses. Any texts you'd recommend? I was thinking about starting the Eighteenth Brummaire.


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Hm, I'm not sure. Eighteenth Brumaire has some great quotes in it, although I've only read a shortened version I have in a reader thingy which doesn't even begin to go into the actual analysis.

The thing with Marx is that you feel you know everything he says just from reading other people writing about him. I have large volumes of his writing that I stole off my parents sitting dormant on my shelves, but which are useful to have for reference purposes. I wish I had read it all myself though...

If you have a lot of time and energy, slogging through Capital is rewarding, though. I had to really work hard on the economics side, but when I started to understand those ideas properly it became worth it. Then when he begins describing England in the industrial revolution it suddenly goes from dry and difficult to filled with righteous anger, and actually pretty funny at times.

One thing I have lying around is a book on the Paris Commune I found in some old bookshop, which has the transcript of an interview with Marx about his opinions on it... which makes it probably one of the most interesting books I have, but I've never got round to reading it yet :mellow:


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Has anyone read the new Dan Brown yet?


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Has anyone read the new Dan Brown yet?


No, but I'm guessing it'll be exactly like his other ones.

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Has anyone read the new Dan Brown yet?


No, but I'm guessing it'll be exactly like his other ones.


I'm also willing to hazard a guess that based on Frigid's conclusion, it will suck donkey testicles.


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Just finished Ian C. Esslemonts "Night of Knives", pretty entertaining though it didn't pick up until halfway through. Starting "The Return of the Crimson Guard" when it's arriving


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if you've read any of these:
Mikhail Bulgakov – The Master and Margarita
Vladmir Nabokov- Pale Fire
Robert Anton Wilson & Robert Shea – Illuminatus!
David Foster Wallace – Infinite Jest

please comment and tell me where i should start (atm i'm rather inclined towards Bulgakov's).

i like neil gaiman, terry pratchett and the a song of ice and fire series, but recently i've been reading gonçalo m. tavares and josé saramago.

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Bulgakov -> Nabokov I'd wait for I. Jest. It'll take at least six months to read if not longer.


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Just finished Rainbow Six and will begin reading Masters Of Doom tomorrow. Masters Of Doom is basically the story of ID Software. It's about how John Carmack and John Romero managed to turn a simple garage operation into one of the most successful and influential video game development companies ever.


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bought Bulgakov's (amazingly they actually had it in the store), will start it after i'm done with Death At Intervals.

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Reading Hamlet (again) and the Tempest simultaneously. Shakespeare is amazing.

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Am reading The Tin Flute for class. It's not very good.


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Frankenstein - get the feeling it'd be better if I didn't know what was going to happen. And man does she like to ram home a point or what? YES OK YOU HAD A HAPPY CHILDHOOD THAT IN NO WAY PREPARED YOU FOR THE HORRORS OF YOUR LATER ENDEAVOURS I GOT THAT THX. Still enjoying it though.


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Azrael wrote:
if you've read any of these:
Mikhail Bulgakov – The Master and Margarita
Vladmir Nabokov- Pale Fire
Robert Anton Wilson & Robert Shea – Illuminatus!
David Foster Wallace – Infinite Jest

please comment and tell me where i should start (atm i'm rather inclined towards Bulgakov's).

i like neil gaiman, terry pratchett and the a song of ice and fire series, but recently i've been reading gonçalo m. tavares and josé saramago.


Bulgakov is good and all, and you should definitely read that, but Pale Fire is one of my favourite books- it is oh so hilarious. Read that soon.


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Frankenstein - get the feeling it'd be better if I didn't know what was going to happen. And man does she like to ram home a point or what? YES OK YOU HAD A HAPPY CHILDHOOD THAT IN NO WAY PREPARED YOU FOR THE HORRORS OF YOUR LATER ENDEAVOURS I GOT THAT THX. Still enjoying it though.


Dang, I know what you mean.

Currently reading The Last Man, also by Mary Shelley. It's about a plague exterminating mankind, and that's kind of the entire point of the book (as evidenced by the title). But there's literally (yeah, literally) 140 pages before the word "plague" is even mentioned. It's all minute minute by minute description of the main character's idyllic life up until the point everybody starts dying. And it's in that incredibly wordy, incredibly detailed style she always uses.

Anyway, still quite a cool book.


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Dipping into Bertrand Russell's "Practice and Theory of Bolshevism". Interesting, to say the least.

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Azrael wrote:
if you've read any of these:
Mikhail Bulgakov – The Master and Margarita
Vladmir Nabokov- Pale Fire
Robert Anton Wilson & Robert Shea – Illuminatus!
David Foster Wallace – Infinite Jest

please comment and tell me where i should start (atm i'm rather inclined towards Bulgakov's).

i like neil gaiman, terry pratchett and the a song of ice and fire series, but recently i've been reading gonçalo m. tavares and josé saramago.


The Master and Margarita is one of my favorite books, so...yeah, pretty self explanatory.


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Dipping into Bertrand Russell's "Practice and Theory of Bolshevism". Interesting, to say the least.
Have to check that out. Russell is one who had his head screwed on straight.


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A Karl Marx Reader
Why Read Marx Today? - Jonathan Wolff
Condensed Capitalism
Kierkegaard - Either/Or
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Dipping into Bertrand Russell's "Practice and Theory of Bolshevism". Interesting, to say the least.
Have to check that out. Russell is one who had his head screwed on straight.


The way he compares it to a religious institution is particularly insightful and/or clever.

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