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You know, I thought Nelson's intro music sounded a bit off. It was Michael Jackson's "I'm Bad," or so I thought. It was actually Weird Al's version, "I'm Fat!" :lol:

No wonder it was played at such a low volume. Haha.


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DevotedWalnut wrote:
so it is written, so it is done.

Kimbo is great, he beat Houston Alexander in a snooze fest where both fighters didn't want to get knocked out.

us "mma fans" are right. He is a joke. Sure, he improved on what little skills he had. But he is still a joke. Let him fight a guy who is not 37 years old and is not scared to get hit. Then you will see the real Kimbo. Oh yeah we did see that in the Seth Petruzelli fight.

:lol:

You cannot even give credit where credit is due. It's pathetic. You don't have to fucking like the guy and call him great, for fuck's sake!

Considering your near 20-year history being an MMA fan, I'd think you'd be a bit more objective.


When did I say I have been watvhing MMA for 20 years? Also, I will not give credit to Kimbo because he doesn't deserve it. Alexander was cut from the UFC for a reason. He was brought back as a sideshow for the UFC to get good ratings and make some more money. It was a shit fight by 2 never was fighters.


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Satan's Anus wrote:
You know, I thought Nelson's intro music sounded a bit off. It was Michael Jackson's "I'm Bad," or so I thought. It was actually Weird Al's version, "I'm Fat!" :lol:

No wonder it was played at such a low volume. Haha.


Yeah, the dude's got a sense of humor, no question.

He caught Schaub pretty good, though. I could see Schaub having a decent future in MMA himself; they way he got out from under both Marcus Jones and Nelson was pretty nicely done, neither of those guys are exactly small, and his standup isn't too bad, either.
Dude definitely has potential.
Mitrione putting out Marcus' lights was cool, not because I like Meathead or dislike Jones, but his getting all pre-menstrual over Junk's eye was weak.


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Satan's Anus wrote:
You know, I thought Nelson's intro music sounded a bit off. It was Michael Jackson's "I'm Bad," or so I thought. It was actually Weird Al's version, "I'm Fat!" :lol:

No wonder it was played at such a low volume. Haha.


Haha, awesome. Just noticed this gem on Schaub's wiki page:

Brendan Schaub's Wikipedia Page wrote:
In the semifinals, Schaub defeated Marcus Jones of Team Rampage via knockout. This win advanced Schaub to The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights Finale, where he was eaten by Roy Nelson.


:lol: :lol:

I'm sure that will get edited soon.


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Adam wrote:
Just noticed this gem on Schaub's wiki page:

Brendan Schaub's Wikipedia Page wrote:
In the semifinals, Schaub defeated Marcus Jones of Team Rampage via knockout. This win advanced Schaub to The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights Finale, where he was eaten by Roy Nelson.


:lol: :lol:

I'm sure that will get edited soon.


That's hilarious :lol:


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DevotedWalnut wrote:
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so it is written, so it is done.

Kimbo is great, he beat Houston Alexander in a snooze fest where both fighters didn't want to get knocked out.

us "mma fans" are right. He is a joke. Sure, he improved on what little skills he had. But he is still a joke. Let him fight a guy who is not 37 years old and is not scared to get hit. Then you will see the real Kimbo. Oh yeah we did see that in the Seth Petruzelli fight.

:lol:

You cannot even give credit where credit is due. It's pathetic. You don't have to fucking like the guy and call him great, for fuck's sake!

Considering your near 20-year history being an MMA fan, I'd think you'd be a bit more objective.


When did I say I have been watvhing MMA for 20 years? Also, I will not give credit to Kimbo because he doesn't deserve it. Alexander was cut from the UFC for a reason. He was brought back as a sideshow for the UFC to get good ratings and make some more money. It was a shit fight by 2 never was fighters.

Oh, sorry. Was it 17 years, then? Early 90s, right?

Anyway, Kimbo deserves credit for his performance. Only an asshole—or, as in your case, someone who is a bandwagon MMA fan that acts like an expert online—says he doesn't deserve it.


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Satan's Anus wrote:
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so it is written, so it is done.

Kimbo is great, he beat Houston Alexander in a snooze fest where both fighters didn't want to get knocked out.

us "mma fans" are right. He is a joke. Sure, he improved on what little skills he had. But he is still a joke. Let him fight a guy who is not 37 years old and is not scared to get hit. Then you will see the real Kimbo. Oh yeah we did see that in the Seth Petruzelli fight.

:lol:

You cannot even give credit where credit is due. It's pathetic. You don't have to fucking like the guy and call him great, for fuck's sake!

Considering your near 20-year history being an MMA fan, I'd think you'd be a bit more objective.


When did I say I have been watvhing MMA for 20 years? Also, I will not give credit to Kimbo because he doesn't deserve it. Alexander was cut from the UFC for a reason. He was brought back as a sideshow for the UFC to get good ratings and make some more money. It was a shit fight by 2 never was fighters.

Oh, sorry. Was it 17 years, then? Early 90s, right?

Anyway, Kimbo deserves credit for his performance. Only an asshole—or, as in your case, someone who is a bandwagon MMA fan that acts like an expert online—says he doesn't deserve it.


How does he "deserve" it?
He lost TUF, his skillset is so limited I don't see him being a threat to practically anybody in the HW division, much less the LHW division... it's not like he just started training, either.
His past wins were against absolute cans and fat slob BBQ brawlers. The fight with Alexander was lame.
I don't see how a win over Alexander (who was brought back specially because any other current fighter in the UFC would make Kimbo look like a fool. Even than, Alexander came out way out of form) could impress anyone. They even set the fight at catch weight. He backed out of fighting in Mitriones place, because he didn't want a shot... please. he said he didn't want another loss on his record; sounds like a true warrior to me...
:lol:

see, this is why so many people get irritated; guys like Nelson work their asses off, pay their dues, actually possess legitimate skill and get signed because he actually won TUF, whilst Kimbo gets a free ride.
Oh, well I guess Dana is after that all important meathead demographic...


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Comprehension fails so many of you when you can't get your head out your ass.

I'll quote myself:

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See my previous comment about Kimbo haters.

First off, the dude clearly has improved his skills. And the fact remains, he can fucking fight. He may not be a very skilled mixed martial artist, and probably never will be, but he knows how to fight.

Secondly, Houston didn't want to engage. Kimbo fought that fight near perfectly for someone still learning—and with much to learn, admittedly. He was very disciplined. He didn't throw wild punches when Houston refused to engage. He kept the fight at the center of the ring, kept his guard closed. He even showed some ground skills—and a fucking epic body slam!

Kimbo could do nothing better. Houston was running scared. Stupid fighters chase people down in situations like that. Kimbo showed far better discipline that you "MMA fans" are giving him credit for.

It's hilarious that it's Kimbo who refused to engage, when it was CLEARLY fucking Houston who was running.

Did I ask anyone to declare Kimbo the future king of MMA? No. I suggested maybe, just maybe, you give credit where credit is due. Doesn't matter who he was fighting, Kimbo showed a good deal of improvement and ring smarts. And for that, he deserves credit.

Very fucking simple, folks.

As for Kimbo backing out of the fight, that was smart! It was a strategical move. First off, everyone was telling him that McShitty is a kick-boxer who'd be kicking the shit out of his bad knee the entire fight. To Kimbo's credit, he knows what he is; he knows his time in MMA is severely limited. So in that light, going up against a dude that would have been kicking his bad knee all fight, the decision was easy: don't fucking fight.

If Kimbo lost that fight, he'd likely never fights in the UFC again. And if he somehow blew out his knee in the process, he never fights again, period. Even in shitty backyard brawls.

I think he backed out so he could get a fight in the future, which he got on the finale. It's more money than he would have gotten otherwise. A smart business move, if you ask me. Might as well make as much he can now. Nothing wrong with that, really.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
see, this is why so many people get irritated; guys like Nelson work their asses off, pay their dues, actually possess legitimate skill and get signed because he actually won TUF, whilst Kimbo gets a free ride.

Oh, well I guess Dana is after that all important meathead demographic...

Oh, and you fail to acknowledge that the UFC is a business, first and foremost. Kimbo might not be great, but he has been a huge boost in the UFCs popularity.

Kimbo didn't get a free ride, either. He got a shot like many others did. I guess all those fighters on TUF—this season and others—with 0–0 records deserved a shot more than Kimbo, huh?


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Satan's Anus wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
see, this is why so many people get irritated; guys like Nelson work their asses off, pay their dues, actually possess legitimate skill and get signed because he actually won TUF, whilst Kimbo gets a free ride.

Oh, well I guess Dana is after that all important meathead demographic...

Oh, and you fail to acknowledge that the UFC is a business, first and foremost. Kimbo might not be great, but he has been a huge boost in the UFCs popularity.

Kimbo didn't get a free ride, either. He got a shot like many others did. I guess all those fighters on TUF—this season and others—with 0–0 records deserved a shot more than Kimbo, huh?


"I don't consider him a real athlete. He won't win The Ultimate Fighter. The offer's out there if he wants to take it, but he won't win it. I might (put a heavyweight show together just for him)."
-Dana White

Whether or not he did just that, who knows.
Of course, anything Dana says should be taken with a grain of salt.
Anyway, the Kimbo hype machine is (most likely) about to run down, you cannot deny that the whole Kimbo thing has nothing but hype. I certainly don't begrudge the dude for grabbing the bull by the horns and making the best of it, I just don't get how alot of people could possibly think he is anything other than a very mediocre brawler, and his defeat of a very lackluster Alexander
( the epitome of the term "can") did nothing to change my view.
There even seems to be a general buzz going around that Kimbo will be given a contract in the UFC, though that is obviously nothing more than speculation.


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I doubt they built a show around Kimbo, but I have no doubt they wanted him on the show from the get-go.

And yeah, Kimbo won't be fighting at Couture's age, that's for sure. However, he can fight. And he's much better than a mediocre brawler. He has good technique in the stand-up—good head movement, strong, straight punches, he's obviously powerful. There are plenty of worse fighters out there.

His KO loss to Petruzelli, if you watch it with an objective mindset, was set up by an amateur mistake on Kimbo's part. He shot in with his eyes closed. When you can't see a punch coming, your brain is shocked and you have a flash KO. Unfortunately, in MMA, flash KOs are followed up by more punches, not a referee's 8-count.

Take it as you will, but that's why a short half-hook/jab sent him sprawling.


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Satan's Anus wrote:
I doubt they built a show around Kimbo, but I have no doubt they wanted him on the show from the get-go.

And yeah, Kimbo won't be fighting at Couture's age, that's for sure. However, he can fight. And he's much better than a mediocre brawler. He has good technique in the stand-up—good head movement, strong, straight punches, he's obviously powerful. There are plenty of worse fighters out there.

His KO loss to Petruzelli, if you watch it with an objective mindset, was set up by an amateur mistake on Kimbo's part. He shot in with his eyes closed. When you can't see a punch coming, your brain is shocked and you have a flash KO. Unfortunately, in MMA, flash KOs are followed up by more punches, not a referee's 8-count.

Take it as you will, but that's why a short half-hook/jab sent him sprawling.


Hmmm... I just don't get the Kimbo thing, but it's cool. We can agree to disagree on that one. Like I said, I don't begrudge the man for taking has shot at the brass ring.
Another thing about the KO, as I am sure you are aware, is it doesn't necessarilly require brute force (although it helps) as much as knowing where to place the shot.

Speaking of flash KO's and steering the subject away from Kimbo a bit, I was pretty impressed with Rogers' chin; that shot he took from Fedor was solid, you could hear it, THUMP, clear as a bell, and he still only got a flash KO.


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Well, sport's fans, it's that time again...

picks?

I got:

Penn

Mir (I think he'll take it to the ground, and well, you can guess the rest)

Florian

Struve

Fitch

the rest, dunno.

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you give me a BJ and a dirty SANCHEZ and I will give you a 25 minute shit kickin.

...

if BJ can withstand the initial flurry of Sanchez, he will win.

I also agree that if Mir takes it down he will win for sure, but lately he's been all about the striking. I can see him standing and banging with Kongo.

I say Florian wins, just because he's already beat Guida. He is just the better fighter.

Struve because he is a lanky fucker who will probably get submission of the night.

Fitch wins because he is the best welterweight in the UFC behind GSP.


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DevotedWalnut wrote:
you give me a BJ and a dirty SANCHEZ and I will give you a 25 minute shit kickin.

...

if BJ can withstand the initial flurry of Sanchez, he will win.

I also agree that if Mir takes it down he will win for sure, but lately he's been all about the striking. I can see him standing and banging with Kongo.

I say Florian wins, just because he's already beat Guida. He is just the better fighter.

Struve because he is a lanky fucker who will probably get submission of the night.

Fitch wins because he is the best welterweight in the UFC behind GSP.


Penn has a pretty good chin and his cardio is pretty underrated.
Penn is just an all-around better fighter, but anything can happen.

Mir / Kongo... I think you are right, Mir will try to stand for awhile, but ultimately he will get the sub. Again, Kongo could clip him, so he has a puncher's chance. Mir better watch for those knees to the groin, though (intentional groin strikes are a twat move, so I hope Mir breaks his fucking arm off, plus Kongo acted like a chick with her tampon jammed up all sideways with the whole back-turning thing)...

the others, yeah, I see it pretty much the same.
Should be a good night, all around.


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Mir really showed up last night, I was very impressed. I've disliked Mir since the earlier days. He never had a gas tank, was always cocky, and when he won fights he acted like he was gods gift to MMA or something.

Later after his accident, the fighter would be a former shell of himself that I thought should retire. He looked terrible against Pe De Pano, fat and sloppy against Dan Christensen, terrible against Vera, and then comes in again like he's god when he fights and takes out Brock for the first time.

Even in victory over Nogueira I wasn't impressed.

However, last night a new Frank Mir emerged into the octagon, and while still cocky and mouthy pre-game, he was more respectful after the fight and spoke confidently. In the ring he looked fantastic. The man definitely appears to be dedicated finally to the sport, and ready to do what it really takes to be champion. Being such an intelligent guy who understands all the dynamics of the game makes him all the more scary.

I wish him the best of luck and can't wait to see more.


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I couldn't of been happier when they showed Sanchez's face at the end of the fight. He got the shit kicked out of him. It was beautiful.


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