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He's a polemicist- but he's also almost always right. Or at the very least, very convincing.


Hitchens or Moore? :P I like what Moore says, just not how he says it.


Hitchens. :lol:

Moore could also work on his coherence, though.

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If by "nearly always right" you mean "frequently terribly wrong", then I agree.


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If by "nearly always right" you mean "frequently terribly wrong", then I agree.


Like where?

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I think it may be possible with hindsight to tentatively suggest he was slightly off base on the issue of the Iraq war, and his whole leaping into bed with neoconservatism and the Republican right.

Nah, though, on other issues I'm exaggerating. He identifies as a "non-Socialist" Marxist, which I respect even if I don't really think it means that much. I probably agree with him on a lot of things, outside of foreign policy... even there I sympathise with what he's trying to say.

However, I would be interested to hear whether you yourself think he's right to still describe Lenin and Trotsky as "great men" of history?

By the way, this article by him is really good.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/hitchens-marx


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rio wrote:
I think it may be possible with hindsight to tentatively suggest he was slightly off base on the issue of the Iraq war, and his whole leaping into bed with neoconservatism and the Republican right.

Nah, though, on other issues I'm exaggerating. He identifies as a "non-Socialist" Marxist, which I respect even if I don't really think it means that much. I probably agree with him on a lot of things, outside of foreign policy... even there I sympathise with what he's trying to say.

However, I would be interested to hear whether you yourself think he's right to still describe Lenin and Trotsky as "great men" of history?

By the way, this article by him is really good.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200904/hitchens-marx


I don't know enough about Lenin and Trotsky to comment on that. I do know, however, that Hitchens expressed support for Rosa Luxembourg's critique on Lenin's one-man governing concept. But again, I don't know enough about Lenin's concepts to actually have much of an opinion on that.

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He's still on the first bit so far, but basically he seems to reckon Keynes is where it's at. There's a good review here.

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As for what happens now, Cable says the reform camp has three distinct strands. There are the "New Interventionists" who see the disaster as evidence of supine, even non-existent, regulation and want to replace the Washington consensus – liberalisation, deregulation and privatisation – with something akin to the mixed economy of the 50s and 60s. Then there are the "Old Liberals", who say that some improvement in regulation is needed but that, on balance, the good markets outweigh the bad. Cable puts himself somewhere in the middle: he believes that financial markets are subject to repeated bubbles, panics and crashes, but maintains that there are benefits from markets in goods and services, and from trade. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, in other words.

The final chapter of The Storm fleshes out what a Liberal Democrat reform package would look like. Banks would have to hold more capital in the good times, thus limiting the amount they can lend. Cable would also like the Bank of England to "lean against the wind" when setting interest rates. Most controversially of all, he says Britain's banking sector should be split in two: there would be highly regulated high street banks and riskier investment banks, hedge funds and shadow banks that had no state guarantee. Cable clearly regrets that wheelerdealers such as Adam Applegarth at Northern Rock and Sir Fred Goodwin at Royal Bank of Scotland were ever allowed to turn these pillars of respectability into debt factories, and he wants banks to return to being safe but boring.


Liberal and Democrat here aren't in the American sense, by the by. Not sure how interested you really are. :P


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He's still on the first bit so far, but basically he seems to reckon Keynes is where it's at. There's a good review here.

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As for what happens now, Cable says the reform camp has three distinct strands. There are the "New Interventionists" who see the disaster as evidence of supine, even non-existent, regulation and want to replace the Washington consensus – liberalisation, deregulation and privatisation – with something akin to the mixed economy of the 50s and 60s. Then there are the "Old Liberals", who say that some improvement in regulation is needed but that, on balance, the good markets outweigh the bad. Cable puts himself somewhere in the middle: he believes that financial markets are subject to repeated bubbles, panics and crashes, but maintains that there are benefits from markets in goods and services, and from trade. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, in other words.

The final chapter of The Storm fleshes out what a Liberal Democrat reform package would look like. Banks would have to hold more capital in the good times, thus limiting the amount they can lend. Cable would also like the Bank of England to "lean against the wind" when setting interest rates. Most controversially of all, he says Britain's banking sector should be split in two: there would be highly regulated high street banks and riskier investment banks, hedge funds and shadow banks that had no state guarantee. Cable clearly regrets that wheelerdealers such as Adam Applegarth at Northern Rock and Sir Fred Goodwin at Royal Bank of Scotland were ever allowed to turn these pillars of respectability into debt factories, and he wants banks to return to being safe but boring.


Liberal and Democrat here aren't in the American sense, by the by. Not sure how interested you really are. :P
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He's still on the first bit so far, but basically he seems to reckon Keynes is where it's at. There's a good review here.

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As for what happens now, Cable says the reform camp has three distinct strands. There are the "New Interventionists" who see the disaster as evidence of supine, even non-existent, regulation and want to replace the Washington consensus – liberalisation, deregulation and privatisation – with something akin to the mixed economy of the 50s and 60s. Then there are the "Old Liberals", who say that some improvement in regulation is needed but that, on balance, the good markets outweigh the bad. Cable puts himself somewhere in the middle: he believes that financial markets are subject to repeated bubbles, panics and crashes, but maintains that there are benefits from markets in goods and services, and from trade. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, in other words.

The final chapter of The Storm fleshes out what a Liberal Democrat reform package would look like. Banks would have to hold more capital in the good times, thus limiting the amount they can lend. Cable would also like the Bank of England to "lean against the wind" when setting interest rates. Most controversially of all, he says Britain's banking sector should be split in two: there would be highly regulated high street banks and riskier investment banks, hedge funds and shadow banks that had no state guarantee. Cable clearly regrets that wheelerdealers such as Adam Applegarth at Northern Rock and Sir Fred Goodwin at Royal Bank of Scotland were ever allowed to turn these pillars of respectability into debt factories, and he wants banks to return to being safe but boring.


Liberal and Democrat here aren't in the American sense, by the by. Not sure how interested you really are. :P
Does the bailout count as Keynesian enough? I want to say it would if it was actually directed right.

And Hitchens was better before the Iraq War and he jumped on this atheist tirade. I think he used to write for the Nation, saying things he'd write tirades against nowadays.


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Currently I am reading "The Idiot" by Fyodor Dostoyvsky.


Good choice, are you reading for pleasure, or for class?


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Currently I am reading "The Idiot" by Fyodor Dostoyvsky.
Never finished it due to time and what not. Sadly, the same with the Brothers Karamazov. Dostoevsky is such an amazing writer though.


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Currently I am reading "The Idiot" by Fyodor Dostoyvsky.
Never finished it due to time and what not. Sadly, the same with the Brothers Karamazov. Dostoevsky is such an amazing writer though.


Brothers Karamazov is the best book I've ever read, even better than War and Peace. However, you probably lucked out not finishing as much of the last 4th of the book is not as good.


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