Avenged Sevenfold - Nightmare (#6504)

howlin'wolf · **Joined:** Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:42 am **Posts:** 341

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

Hmm...

Who the fuck cares what a band looks like really? :rolleyes:

Metal is no fashion show. What matters is the music and, in the case of A7X's latest turd, it does suck.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:53 pm

MetalStorm wrote:

FrigidSymphony wrote:

Danmx wrote:

Whether you like A7X or not you have to give them credit for bringing twin guitar harmonies back to mainstream radio for the first time since God knows how long.

Bullet For My Valentine did it first. And they did it better.

I hope you were referring to modern mainstream?

Of course.

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

steveMR2010 wrote:

I wish I was enough of an internet pussy/dweeb to know what "troll harder" meant. At least Tyler still has the passion for music to think and write about it instead of just shooting off his holier-than-thou suck piece about other people's hard work. You don't have to agree, but be civil and try to contribute if you're gonna take up space. No one who's criticized his review has made even a modicum of legit musical argument as to why he might be wrong. There aren't enough metal brothers in the world for us to cannibalize each other. Go ahead - be smart; show us what you've got, but chill on the ad hominem shit.

Fuck you. How's that?

This is a review site, and there should be a standard of integrity that rises far higher than this ridiculous review. You want to talk about some metal brotherhood like it means something, but you seem to not grasp the concept of how shitty it is that a reviewer--who should have some sort of journalistic integrity--is telling consumers and fans that this album is near perfect, when he in fact doesn't even believe it himself. Utter bullshit.

So go on, my "metal brother," and tell me how the hell that helps a scene? How does it help those people who may read this and fork over their hard-earned cash, expecting a brilliant album yet getting one that's just decent, or maybe worse? Because next time they'll just fuck the scene a little more by downloading it for free.

You haven't got a clue. Now I kindly refer you back to my first two words here.

MetalStorm · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:14 am

howlin'wolf wrote:

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

Hmm...

Who the fuck cares what a band looks like really? :rolleyes:

Metal is no fashion show. What matters is the music and, in the case of A7X's latest turd, it does suck.

Not if a metal band looks like emo kids ready to go shopping at a goth shop piercing their nipples and noses :lol:

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

Kathaarian wrote:

etch hell92 wrote:

Legacy Of The Night wrote:

Rating this a 90 because their drummer died exhibits a lack of maturity. It sucks that he died, but a review should provide an unbiased judgement of the quality of the music by the reviewer, and while it's lacking in taste to mock the dead, this review seems to be full of critically unfiltered and drastically overstated praise for this band's deceased drummer (a "phenomenal drummer" he was certainly not) which is in my eyes almost equally distasteful. It's quite clear that emotions of outside circumstances got in the way of this review being an unbiased and critical assessment of the music, and it's a shame that they did.

Did u read what I said at all? I didn't give this a 90 because "the drummer died", I gave it a 90 because I wanted to give it an album of the year tag. Regardless of what you all think, the fact is that coming out with an album and carrying on with a band 7 MONTHS after your drummer and best friend dies is unbelievably brave act. Now I respect the fact that you might not like the album, but I DID, becuase I gave it a fair chance, I took it for what it is, I looked past the band's so called image and listened to the MUSIC. And further more, I doubt half of you have actually listened to the ENTIRE album, and I'd bet even less than that have actually ever played and instrument, so you don't really have any credibility. I didn't overstate a single thing in my review, I stand by every single thing I said, had a given this album a "normal" score I probably would've given it a 82ish, but that's not the point. Anyway, this will be the last time I post about this, I don't need to defend myself, I'm a reviewer at Metalreviews, (most of) u are not. So there. BOOM.

Ha ha, calm down now Ari Gold, you shot yourself in the foot there. There are a lot of musicians in this site, but that guy you're talking to, Legacy, was accepted to Berklee. You know, the school Portnoy went to.

He goes to Berklee? Has he ever said anything bad about me? Should I stop by and give him a noogie?

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

etch hell92 wrote:

howlin'wolf wrote:

rio wrote:

howlin'wolf wrote:

So, now, all you have to do to get a "album of the year" tag is to be incredibly brave... Bollocks.
This is a music webzine, not charity. Albums should be judged on their musical quality alone because, in the end, it's all that counts.
I doubted your ability, now I know you cannot be a reviewer at MR, period.

Pfft, give the guy a break... The review is well-written and thought-provoking which is what music writing should be. Even if the conclusions it draws are controversial.

I have no problem with controversial points of view. I have a problem with someone rating an album too high because of his compassion towards a drama the band has lived. That's complete nonsense.

You still don't get it, do you? Let me make this as clear as humanly possible. I didn't give the album a 90 becuase I feel sorry for the band, or because I wanted to honor the Rev. I gave it a 90 FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of being able to name it one of my albums of the year, becuase so far this year, this has been one of the most memorable releases (FOR ME!!), and as such, it will be one of the releases that defines the year for me, which is how I define an album of the year. If you actually read my review, or stopped being such an ignorant prick, you would've picked up on that one. And as for me not being able to be a MR reviewer, guess what? I still am an MR reviewer, and your still not. Scoreboard motherfucker.

And your reasoning is retarded. This site is not FOR YOU!! You're reviewing albums for those who read this site, for the bands that send in their music, for the labels, for everyone but you. You don't matter. Your review is selfish and dishonest.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:20 am

I'd say, actually, that every review needs a bit of personal input, because otherwise you end up with this sort of bullshit:

Wiki wrote:

About a month and a half before the record had released, Faye Lewis of Rocksound.tv, gave the record a highly critical review, saying that the title track "Nightmare" was the only highlight, which generated much criticism. Rocksound later issued an apology for the review and took it down from their site. In their letter of apology they said: "Rock Sound recently published a track-by-track guide to the forthcoming Avenged Sevenfold album. We wish to apologize wholeheartedly for any misunderstanding in the article that caused upset to both the band and their fans. This was certainly not our intention and therefore we have removed the piece from the site."[36]

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

Goat wrote:

I'd say, actually, that every review needs a bit of personal input, because otherwise you end up with this sort of bullshit:

Wiki wrote:

About a month and a half before the record had released, Faye Lewis of Rocksound.tv, gave the record a highly critical review, saying that the title track "Nightmare" was the only highlight, which generated much criticism. Rocksound later issued an apology for the review and took it down from their site. In their letter of apology they said: "Rock Sound recently published a track-by-track guide to the forthcoming Avenged Sevenfold album. We wish to apologize wholeheartedly for any misunderstanding in the article that caused upset to both the band and their fans. This was certainly not our intention and therefore we have removed the piece from the site."[36]

Never said there shouldn't be personal input. All reviews should have a personal slant, but it there shouldn't be lies in it. There's no justification for that whatsoever.

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:29 am

I aimed that at Wharfie, but where did Tyler actually lie in the review?

Edit: oh, it was you. Now why did I think that it was warfeloup? :wacko:

Metastable To Chaos · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:52 am

Satan's Anus wrote:

steveMR2010 wrote:

I wish I was enough of an internet pussy/dweeb to know what "troll harder" meant. At least Tyler still has the passion for music to think and write about it instead of just shooting off his holier-than-thou suck piece about other people's hard work. You don't have to agree, but be civil and try to contribute if you're gonna take up space. No one who's criticized his review has made even a modicum of legit musical argument as to why he might be wrong. There aren't enough metal brothers in the world for us to cannibalize each other. Go ahead - be smart; show us what you've got, but chill on the ad hominem shit.

Fuck you. How's that?

MetalStorm · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:58 am

I knew the minute I posted the first post in this thread this was going to be a multiple page thread.

God you just got to love Metal Reviews and these controversial threads :lol:

Satan's Anus · **Joined:** Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:37 pm **Posts:** 1046

Goat wrote:

I aimed that at Wharfie, but where did Tyler actually lie in the review?

Edit: oh, it was you. Now why did I think that it was warfeloup? :wacko:

Is the score and label not part of the review?

Goat · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:14 am

He explained the score bump in the review - it may not have been the best decision, but it's hardly a lie, is it? Ditto for the AOTY tag - it was explained in the review, and assuming that people are intelligent enough to read the review instead of just going "ah, 90, and a picture of a skeleton too! I must order this at once!" I really don't see the problem. I think you're determined to look at this in the worst possible light - I can't see any lies in the review, score, or tag.

Mitch0002 · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:46 am

Dude, i dont think any of you guys understand wheres hes coming from on this review. When i 1st listen to it, you can even PM Tyler, I said this album would be decent at best, it was gonna be nothing special, i listened to it again and thought the same, i bought it because it was 10 bucks at Bestbuy and thought, What the hell why not, IT NOT THAT BAD OF A ALBUM! I thought it would be suchhhhh shit but it isnt, Plus i understand the AOTY Nomination, A7X to me is a Gateway band, just like slipknot was to me, Gets people into the Metal world, Gets their Feet wet so to speak, It opens doors to people to listen to new stuff like metal and hard rock. who cares what they look like. you dont see them when you listen to the album. Even ask Tyler, He REFUSES to call them by their stage names because he thinks their gay as shit, He HATED A7X till he listened to them more, Give the CD a chance. If it wasnt for bands like Avenged people wouldn't be exposed to Metal in the 1st place

Orion · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:50 am

Mitch0002 wrote:

Dude, i dont think any of you guys understand wheres hes coming from on this review. When i 1st listen to it, you can even PM Tyler, I said this album would be decent at best, it was gonna be nothing special, i listened to it again and thought the same, i bought it because it was 10 bucks at Bestbuy and thought, What the hell why not, IT NOT THAT BAD OF A ALBUM! I thought it would be suchhhhh shit but it isnt, Plus i understand the AOTY Nomination, A7X to me is a Gateway band, just like slipknot was to me, Gets people into the Metal world, Gets their Feet wet so to speak, It opens doors to people to listen to new stuff like metal and hard rock. who cares what they look like. you dont see them when you listen to the album. Even ask Tyler, He REFUSES to call them by their stage names because he thinks their gay as shit, He HATED A7X till he listened to them more, Give the CD a chance. If it wasnt for bands like Avenged people wouldn't be exposed to Metal in the 1st place

In summary:

A7X is supposed to be teh suxorz

A7X is actually average

New album = 90 because I expected teh suxorz and instead it was average.

:huh:

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:56 am

Now look what you guys have done.
You have his friends and intimates creating accounts so they can defend his review...
Next thing you know, his mother will be here chewing everybody's asses for being so mean.

:lol:

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:58 am

Mitch0002 wrote:

Dude, i dont think any of you guys understand wheres hes coming from on this review. When i 1st listen to it, you can even PM Tyler, I said this album would be decent at best, it was gonna be nothing special, i listened to it again and thought the same, i bought it because it was 10 bucks at Bestbuy and thought, What the hell why not, IT NOT THAT BAD OF A ALBUM! I thought it would be suchhhhh shit but it isnt, Plus i understand the AOTY Nomination, A7X to me is a Gateway band, just like slipknot was to me, Gets people into the Metal world, Gets their Feet wet so to speak, It opens doors to people to listen to new stuff like metal and hard rock. who cares what they look like. you dont see them when you listen to the album. Even ask Tyler, He REFUSES to call them by their stage names because he thinks their gay as shit, He HATED A7X till he listened to them more, Give the CD a chance. If it wasnt for bands like Avenged people wouldn't be exposed to Metal in the 1st place

How old are you, 10? You're obviously obsessed with image and appearing trv or whatever, while at the same time projecting apologetics due to guilt at liking something "untrv"- all the while getting a smug sense of self-satisfaction because you're oh so open-minded. Wow, refusing to call them by their stage names really changes the entire perspective.

If it wasn't for the douchebag in middle school who got high on speed and kept attacking everyone, I wouldn't have found out about speed that early. Doesn't make him any less of a douchebag.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:59 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

Now look what you guys have done.
You have his friends and intimates creating accounts so they can defend his review...
Next thing you know, his mother will be here chewing everybody's asses for being so mean.

:lol:

Were you here when that guy's dad signed up to defend him? "Why don't you love me, dad? Is it because I'm a fruitcake?" When was that?

Legacy Of The Night · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:00 am

Satan's Anus wrote:

Kathaarian wrote:

etch hell92 wrote:

Legacy Of The Night wrote:

Rating this a 90 because their drummer died exhibits a lack of maturity. It sucks that he died, but a review should provide an unbiased judgement of the quality of the music by the reviewer, and while it's lacking in taste to mock the dead, this review seems to be full of critically unfiltered and drastically overstated praise for this band's deceased drummer (a "phenomenal drummer" he was certainly not) which is in my eyes almost equally distasteful. It's quite clear that emotions of outside circumstances got in the way of this review being an unbiased and critical assessment of the music, and it's a shame that they did.

Did u read what I said at all? I didn't give this a 90 because "the drummer died", I gave it a 90 because I wanted to give it an album of the year tag. Regardless of what you all think, the fact is that coming out with an album and carrying on with a band 7 MONTHS after your drummer and best friend dies is unbelievably brave act. Now I respect the fact that you might not like the album, but I DID, becuase I gave it a fair chance, I took it for what it is, I looked past the band's so called image and listened to the MUSIC. And further more, I doubt half of you have actually listened to the ENTIRE album, and I'd bet even less than that have actually ever played and instrument, so you don't really have any credibility. I didn't overstate a single thing in my review, I stand by every single thing I said, had a given this album a "normal" score I probably would've given it a 82ish, but that's not the point. Anyway, this will be the last time I post about this, I don't need to defend myself, I'm a reviewer at Metalreviews, (most of) u are not. So there. BOOM.

Ha ha, calm down now Ari Gold, you shot yourself in the foot there. There are a lot of musicians in this site, but that guy you're talking to, Legacy, was accepted to Berklee. You know, the school Portnoy went to.

He goes to Berklee? Has he ever said anything bad about me? Should I stop by and give him a noogie?

I'm still in Florida at the moment, but I'll be up there by the end of the month. I start attending in the Fall.

And any and all noogies will be responded to by a swift punch in the nuts. :wink:

MetalStorm · **Posted:** Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:00 am

Mitch0002 wrote:

Dude, i dont think any of you guys understand wheres hes coming from on this review. When i 1st listen to it, you can even PM Tyler, I said this album would be decent at best, it was gonna be nothing special, i listened to it again and thought the same, i bought it because it was 10 bucks at Bestbuy and thought, What the hell why not, IT NOT THAT BAD OF A ALBUM! I thought it would be suchhhhh shit but it isnt, Plus i understand the AOTY Nomination, A7X to me is a Gateway band, just like slipknot was to me, Gets people into the Metal world, Gets their Feet wet so to speak, It opens doors to people to listen to new stuff like metal and hard rock. who cares what they look like. you dont see them when you listen to the album. Even ask Tyler, He REFUSES to call them by their stage names because he thinks their gay as shit, He HATED A7X till he listened to them more, Give the CD a chance. If it wasnt for bands like Avenged people wouldn't be exposed to Metal in the 1st place

So you're related to Tyler how?

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