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I remember part of the study I remember reading, was that when blacks mixed with white DNA the offspring had somewhat higher intelligence than that of a "normal" African-American child. While giving credence to your claim as it is sound, I think it's a mixture of genetic and cultural factors more so than any other "race".

As you say, it's a CULTURAL THING. That's not racist.

link that african-american/interracial kid study if you can. sounds like BS to me.

Cultural and socio-economic. There are annoying aspects about 'black' culture, but then again, there are very annoying things about basically every culture, except Finns who apparently don't talk. Not talking=not annoying.

I could be called a linguistic bigot and a Ukrainian ultra-nationalist apologist, but I draw the line here.

For one thing, blacks drew the geographic short straw: Africa is a land infinitely less suited to allow for civilizations to evolve as compared to Europe, NA, Asia, and the Mid East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_ ... tion_Study

Bullshit. Take a look at the Ethiopian, Malinese, Congolese etc. cultures of the middle ages. Africa has an abundance of natural resources. Conversely Europe, our remote corner of Eurasia, is so ill-suited to the development of civilisation that it shaped the European man into the hard, productive worker he is today (or was, before excessive social welfare kicked in) compared to the infinitely more rustic, laid back black Africans. Their continent simply did not place as many burdens, both intellectually and physically, on them to survive as the colder climes and more defensible prey animals of Europe. Art from adversity.

See, we are arguing the same point from different places.

I've always thought that generally colder, more difficult climates fostered rather than neglected civilization.

Complete agreement. Change the culture. Sadly this culture is fucking American culture to the core not just some 'Negro' hip hop culture.

hip hop culture is all about talking people out of suicide and shit
http://pitchfork.com/news/40397-ti-talk ... m-a-ledge/

To elaborate on this I don't just want to pinpoint culture as inherent but developing out of the structure of the community. It has devolved into this and can change in time. V will say blacks have always been like this and I'll say people of the same socio-economic class have been perceived that way too so either throw the working class under the bus or admit that maybe blacks are being misconceived.

Still rambling about class struggle, sigh. Get out of the 19th century much?

White Europeans have come here in waves, with nothing, speaking barely any english and thrived. Same with Asians.

So, what's the deal with negroes?
The difference in the overall approach to life and success; nothing beats a good old fashioned work ethic and sense of self responsibility, contrasted with the usual excuses, blame and sense of entitlement typically found in the black community.

The two sides here don't have to be mutually exclusive. Like the victim mentality within African-American culture: it is not necessarily a fixed or inherent trait, but one conditioned by circumstances like slavery. It is changeable, it just may change at a glacial pace.

And need we forget that during the height of hip-hop music and the glorification of the 'thug' culture during the mid 90s, the number one consumers, by far, were white.

I blame ghettoisation for a lot of problems, and think that Multiculturalism (even as a big right-wing scareword) can/does work if done properly.

oh no he defended immigration get him

The unfunniness of American comedians who aren't black or Jewish is more interesting than naughty children to me. Valefor, do you find Chris Rock or Richard Pryor amusing?

I couldn't say.
Last I saw of Pryor was damn near 30 years ago, and don't know anything from Rock outside of late 80s - early - 90s SNL.

Well, Pryor's not been doing much recently.

I don't understand why people think that slavery has nothing to do with black culture today. In terms of history, it was not long ago, at all. How are family values supposed to be cultivated when your kids are taken away and sold? How is hard work supposed to be encouraged when you'll never see the benefits? How can resource management be learned when you'll never own a single thing? Slavery very much still has an effect on black culture, especially when you consider that discrimination was perpetuated up until fifty years ago.

It's the very perception that blacks are biologically inferior that was used to justify slavery, and that perception continues to keep them down today--in the sense that the effects can be seen in black culture and in that people still hold these views.

It's not as if slavery was exclusive to blacks. It has been practiced by and on many, many groups throughout history. And it still persists in Africa and other places even today.
Another thing; very few whites were slave owners:



Yet, for some reason, we all (even those of us whose ancestors arrived long after slavery was outlawed) are indicted and held accountable. This is wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery


And the fact is, the blacks that were taken to the colonies as slaves were by and large already enslaved by conquering tribes in their native Africa.

Jim Crow laws were, to put it mildly, fucked up. But that ended three generations ago, and many many attempts to rectify that have been made: trillions of dollars spent on leg up programs, exclusivity to their own institutions, affirmative action, set asides, scholarships, etc. etc... to what avail? The black community is in worse shape than ever.
The only people perpetuating the past are blacks themselves, to their own detriment.
At what point is it time to move on and take personal control of their lives? Saying that present day America is racist is complete and utter nonsense, and I think that anybody that is honest and has half a brain can see that.

As for intelligence: nobody seems to mention the fact that Asians outscore whites... so how is it biased toward whites?
The differing factor seems to be an emphasis on education, hard work, personal responsibility and self-sacrifice, add to that parental involvement, which is very highly valued in asian culture, and used to be in white european culture (before the infusion of black culture began influencing white youth).

If something is a proven recipe for success and something else continues to result in failure, which formula should one use?

Hard to argue with some points, but I do think that 1 family in 4 is not "very few", it is a lot, especially taking economic considerations into view. Four million slaves = more than the current population of the city of Los Angeles. I'm not saying that slavery is your fault as a white man, but it was more widespread than you're making out there.

idk you seem to use everything to come to the conclusion that black people are terrible which seems pretty racist to me. And your first post in this thread was an attack on their culture without even an attempt to make it relevant to the thread's content, which is also suspicious.