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It doesn't exactly get aired in Uh-merica.

I just completed watching four videos from the web conservative pundit Andrew Klavan. I believe this forum is in dire need for the drooling emote..

I love how all the Western democracies are supporting these democratic movements in the Arab world.

If they only paid attention, they'd realise that one of the leading opposition groups in Egypt is the Muslim Brotherhood who are pushing for an Islamified middle east and who are thought to have ties with Al Qaeda and whose commitment to peace in the Middle East is questionable.

Westerners don't get that greater democracy and freedom in Islamic countries generally leads to greater Islamification. This has happened in Turkey and Malaysia.

In fact dumb ass Westerners don't seem to understand that their economies are reliant on access to oil from the Arab world and in order to ensure that access, that we need to have friendly regimes in power and that those friendly regimes will most likely not be democratic because of Islam's abhorrence of Western culture.

I would've propped those dictators in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen etc. Our economic security is reliant on it!

C'est la vie.

They do not have ties to Al Qaeda, in fact they oppose each other, at least according to expert Audrey Kurth Cronin: http://www.fpri.org/events/2011/20110207.cgs.cronin.html.

Sidenote: The food was good.

Who the fuck is the west to say what these people can or can't do? Obama has towed the line quite well at not condeming the actions while not supporting them. It's not our room to judge. The country is a Muslim nation and will have Muslim politicians. We have Christian politicians. Right now, the movement is geared towards opposition to corruption and totalitarian terror and as long as the political body stays directed at those issues there is nothing to worry about. Any repercussions we do suffer will be to our own interventions in the past biting us in the ass.

The irony being when we given 1.5billion to a dictator, we have little room in entertaining the notion of playing international superman. If memory serves me correct we only have one muslim elected official on a national level

dead 1 basically said he was fine with dictators, ignoring people being snatched out of their homes at night and Egypt having the second highest level of security of an country to Israel. Liberty is a human right but only for Americans, ignoring our own Declaration of Independence, which applies to all men and not just citizens.

Quite.

"Freedom is not America's gift to the world, it is the Almighty God's gift to every man and woman in this world."

- George W. Bush

I just heard sum Meads in my head

Genius intro, that, genuinely chilling and sets up Creed Of Abraham perfectly.

No qualms at all with West propping up dictators, genocide or anything else in order to maintain our standard of living.

Our economies are fueled by oil and we need to ensure that supply, regardless of other people.

It's the nature of international affairs and has been happening since time began.

As for the rights of Muslims, I couldn't care less.

Muslims have a religion that's based on the deprivation of rights of others be it women or people of other religions.

Islam is a plague just like Christianity was in medieval times. It needs to be contained.

What a lovely human being you are.

I agree with you on the sole stance of religion being a plague, especially the two odious blemishes known as Christianity and Islam. However the neoconservative talking point of purchasing dictators, pitting ideological counterparts with the business friendly puppet, and allowing our companies to murder civilians for the sake of a dwindling supply of that black stuff is completely antithetical to what this country was founded upon. With Saudi Arabia having overstated their oil reserves by 40%, and the supply of oil off of the various coasts nowhere near ample to sate our military industrial complex, we're on a lose lose and a crash course that will bring down the rest of the "free world". I am not quite sure what you mean by international affairs, the course of the last 40 or so years of geopolitics, the rest of the world has stood idly by while the US has collectively fucked over South America, the Middle East, Indonesia, you name it if it has a Texaco logo on it or has our plants producing our "goods" chances are the economy has been royally fucked over by our corporations who dramatically lower living standards, demand lower wages, and treat them as inhumanly as one would think. I shudder to think that conservatism has reduced itself to a fusion of corporatism and a militant arm, but hey when history looks at the West they won't be seeing a bastion of freedom by any means.

I'm not American.

I'm a Croatian Australian.

Croatia has been involved in many nasty activities in the last few wars we've been in. In WWII we sided with the Nazis and ran our own concentration camps.

In 1991-95 we ethnically cleansed 250,000 Serbs.


Australia was founded in 1901 on premises of retaining white cultural supremacy in Australia and of safeguarding British Empire interests against the "Yellow Peril" or "Asiatic Hordes."


So what may be unethical to an American is fine for someone like myself.

Besides the Americans are a bit delusional about their history. One of the British acts of tyranny was to not support American expansionism into Native American territory or of funding American defenses when agitated Indians slugged it out with settlers encroaching on their land.

Or the whole slavery thing - even the Founding Fathers were slave owners.

I have no qualms with any of this. My point is that idealism is dangerous be it Islamists, National Socialists, Communists, environmentalists or liberal democrats. Utilitarianism is a much better and saner approach.





USSR fucked over people too (Eastern Europe, Afghanistan, large chunks of Africa). The French tried it in Suez, Algeria and Vietnam. Brits did it in Suez and Malaya. Ethiopia did it to Eritrea. Or issues in Southern Sudan.

And before that we had the European colonial empires, Christian Crusades, Islamic jihads and Arab expansionism in the middle ages, Ottoman expansionism, Mongols, Huns, Chinese expansionism, wars of conquest amongst the Aztecs and later Maya, Roman, Greek, Carthagainian, Egyptian expansionism etc etc.

People have been killing each other and interfering in each others affairs since time began and mainly to get rich.






At least here in Australia that freedom has always been fake.

You can do whatever you like:

1. Provided you have government approval. Even putting up a fence or a small 1.5 m x 2.0 m shed requires government approval.

2. It's not viewed as offensive to anyone. This is viewed as slander and you can get sued for it. USA is much better in this regard.

At one stage carrying an Australian flag in public was viewed as offensive and was even banned at some events. Carrying a Lebanese flag is fine though.

3. Don't expect your elected representatives to have any power or be anything more than figureheads. The bureaucracy runs Australia regardless of what the elected politicians do.

I am a bureaucrat myself and can tell you that the ministers have no power whatsoever.

4. Don't say anything that can be construed as politically incorrect. It will kill your career and result in ostracisation. The government goes out of their way to ensure this through press releases (e.g. hounding of politician Pauline Hanson).

5. You have to accept legally acceptable corruption for politicians and no repurcussions for one's that commit illegal acts.

I wish I had the time and inclination to go through this post of yours line-by-line, but alas, life is too short. I would, however, point out that utilitarianism is as much an ideology as communism, and that equating liberal democracy and national socialism shows a profound lack of awareness of what either stand for. At least Adveser's wingnut theories are entertaining.

I think I missused the phrase "utlilitarianism" as that does indeed relate to an ideology.

Suffice to say I believe in a pragmatic flexible approach - much like countries such as South Korea, SIngapore or modern China.

As for liberal democracy versus fascism etc, remember that in the 1930's liberal democracy was viewed by many as on its way out.

And if the Axis won the war, it'd be a different story altogether (Liberal democracy as some sort of Zionist mass control system I suspect).

I think you just outed yourself Were you at the Cronulla riots screaming "Fucking lebs! raaaaaa!"?

Pauline Hanson is a racist idiot who somehow got famous, nothing more. (Oh, and she was a corrupt politician, who was jailed).

She also said she was moving to England, famously wouldn't sell her house to a muslim, then decided not to move at all because England had too many immigrants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5L-yjqHqs8

In other news, peaceful pro-liberty demonstrators are being murdered by authoritarian regimes right now in Bahrain, Yemen, and Libya.

Umm how you possibly think propping up dictators is a sustainable practice is beyond me. Not enough time in the world.

I totally support those guys.

The Lebanese are a menace. They have committed acts of gang rape against Australian women (on the grounds that they deserve it as Australian) and are heavily involved in organised crime.

The riots came after a bunch of Lebanese assaulted some lifeguards who were trying to prevent them from harrasing some woman on a beach.

I spoke to a bunch of Sydneysiders when I was there for a Behemoth gig before the riots. They said they felt like they were living under siege from the Lebanese. The Lebanese harrased locals at Cronulla and would go there looking for trouble.

I've seen the way they behave in public in Melbourne and have to say that I think of them as bestial as a result of these experiences. E.g. attacking some one in a supermarket car park in broad daylight or attacking their girlfriend's car and threatening to bash the living daylights out of her if she didn't unlock the door.

A vile race indeed. We should give the Israelis a balnk cheque on these fuckers and the rest of the vile Arab race.




I don't care much for Pauline's politics but she was hounded for her views even though they were very similar to the ruling Liberal Party. After all John Howard (Australian Prime Minister at the time) was toppled from the Liberal leadership in the 1980's due to anti-Asian comments.

However many Australian politicians have been found to be misusing government assets (phone cards, travel and even RAAF corporate aircraft) and have had nothing done to them.

Even more worrying the Tasmanian State Government refuses to establish a corruption commission despite most of the Government ministers up to their neck in shit.

Current Vice Premier - tried twice for corruption but not enough evidence for either a guilty or non-guilty verdict.

Ex-Treasurer - toppled due to shredding of top secret documents relating to budget matters.

Ex-Premier John Lennon- questions as to relationship with Gunns Corporation and in particular fast track approval process that bypassed most government controls. Eventually resigned.

Ex-Premier David Bartlett - questions as to dubious nature of appointment of police commissioner and of continuing links with Gunns corporation.


So why pick on Pauline and not on Members of Parliament who are known to behave in a dubious manner?