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Oh yeah!! Must buy immediately!!!

Still bored with this.

Bored?

As in, it's tedious and uninteresting and I struggle to not play Nails instead of this.

I need one of you experts to help me out.

How do you define the line between Grind and Death Metal? I've been listening to Carcass a shitload lately, and it confuses me.

Symphonies of Sickness is particularly confusing. It is regarded as a Grind classic, and by some as the finest slab of Grind ever recorded...but it sounds like Death Metal to me.

I can accept Reek of Putrefaction as Grind rather than Death Metal, but I only say this because it's so fast and lacks variety. But I know that can't be the only defining factor because if it was, we would just call it "boring death metal" instead of grind.

So someone please explain, what specific factors makes symphonies of sickness (or any other album) grind?

Ummm deathgrind is grind with death metal themes and grindcore is grind with hardcore themes. Honestly, you can't distinguish between the two. Carcass is not really different than Gridlink except in the particular band's sound.

I want to say that grind has less structure to it than death metal and the degree of organization to spastic noise-making is what the difference is. Yet maybe I'm wrong too.

sounds right to me, i like grindcore but its very hard to find good bands

True just a tiny few out there with Napalm Death leading the pack.

yup and napalm death is an amazing grindcore band hell they basically started it almost with a couple other influences

Best grindcore band is Pig Destroyer, look into Berzerker, Insect Warfare, Nails, Phobia, Agorapocalypse, Discordance Axis, Gridlink, Brutal Truth, Graf Orlock. The other major influences to the development of grind are Terrorizer and Repulsion who are both fucking awesome.

It's even funny looking for bands to suggest because I feel like grind fans should like Gaza, Teen Cthulhu and Trap Them but I would consider them more noisy hardcore bands than actual grind. Car Bomb is in the same boat but kinda mathcore and Orchid and pageninetynine which are both more like screamo hardcore.

well thats what most grindcore bands are, noise becuase most pople dont know how to do grindcore right, they think as long as they can make as much noise as possible there good but that isnt the case. dont let me get started on goregrind

When I say noise I mean like the genre. Like Shellac, Big Black, Zeni Geva, Birthday Party, even Today is the Day or their local incarnation Mala in Se.

ah but i mean to me allot of grindcore is, i only listen only one noise band well thats well its called but i dont think that of it, it's Daughters

Deathgrind and grindcore are very different. Think Cephalic Carnage and Benighted for the first, Nasum and Insect Warfare for the second. Of course, the genre is such a melting pot that there are plenty of bands that don't pigeonhole well.

Yeah, that's what I would have said as well. But symphonies of sickness is quite highly structured. Definitely sounds like DM to me, but is always referred to as grind. It's not any faster than a lot of DM either.

I'd call SoS a particularly technical form of grind with death metal influence rather than the pure (gore)grind of RoP. As one of the originators of deathgrind, calling them anything is a bit problematic.

The line between the two still seems incredibly vague to me.

It's like the difference between thrash and groove metal - some bands sound very different, some you can hardly tell.