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I fail to see any difference between one that denies the existence of god and one that claims that he exists.
Both are fooling themselves, thinking they "know" what the truth really is. And both are generally arrogant, condescending assholes that think they have the answer, when, really they don't, and beyond that cannot prove their case. Both are engaged in giant leaps of faith, only on opposing sides.

Is their anything more futile thatn arguing about the existence of god?


Once you understand the realm of physics is not a three dimensional phenomenon that we human beings experience, one realizes they know almost nothing about the universe, nor can we even begin to realize it's potential.

Take electricity for example. As a three dimensional physics phenomenon, we can only use self-destroying power, where KVL and KCL take precedent. In a fourth dimension scenario we can harness unlimited free voltage, suspend time itself (a 3D illusion) and use the unlimited current that flows by the conservation of energy in the form of unlimited flux. This does not violate KVL because voltage would be unlimited and the flowing current would be zero, yet in a timeless domain, the current is only limited by the amount of flux and not flowing current. In the 3D world, we need moving current to produce electricity. But in a 4D world, the flux provides current and the atoms that flow from a voltage source stay suspended in an absolute zero state.


God, I love when Adveser fucks a debate up with analogies coming from nowhere. :dio:


Plus one, my thoughts exactly!


To be honest, the 4D question is one possible theory towards the existance of God (if you will) or at least beings that we can't perceive but can interact with our 3D universe. I wouldn't have used his example though, and would probably point people towards reading Flatland in order to understand it a bit better but...

As we, 3D beings, can only see and interact on 3 planes we have no way of knowing what anything that uses 4 planes would look like aside from an incomplete image that can be seen using the dimensions we inhabit. You can also knock it down (as Flatland does) to 2D beings such as squares on a piece of paper. To them their entire universe is that sheet of paper, flattened out with no way of comprehending height. So to them a sphere passing though it would be a circle that gradually gets wider and thinner (from bottom, through the middle, to the top). The square will only see the sphere using its 2 comprehendable dimensions (length and breadth) and can only see a flattened intersection of the spphere at any moment in time. The same theory can be applied to us and 4D beings.

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They used to burn people for talking about this sort of shit. Sometimes think we should re-introduce that... *is clearly joking*


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I know, I find it odd when I'm talking about stuff seriously as well.

Or did you mean the physics thing?


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Heh, the physics stuff.

Does anyone know how to get back to the old Metal-Archives look? Say what you like about MetalReviews v2, at least you get the choice...


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http://v1.metal-archives.com/

Seeing as it started as http://v2.metal-archives.com/ I took a guess >_>;.


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http://v1.metal-archives.com/

Seeing as it started as http://v2.metal-archives.com/ I took a guess >_>;.


:D You darling. I can use it without wanting to punch someone now. Cheers!


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Say what you like about MetalReviews v2


Can I really??


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Speedyjx wrote:
Goat wrote:
Bruce_Bitenfils wrote:
Adveser wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
I fail to see any difference between one that denies the existence of god and one that claims that he exists.
Both are fooling themselves, thinking they "know" what the truth really is. And both are generally arrogant, condescending assholes that think they have the answer, when, really they don't, and beyond that cannot prove their case. Both are engaged in giant leaps of faith, only on opposing sides.

Is their anything more futile thatn arguing about the existence of god?


Once you understand the realm of physics is not a three dimensional phenomenon that we human beings experience, one realizes they know almost nothing about the universe, nor can we even begin to realize it's potential.

Take electricity for example. As a three dimensional physics phenomenon, we can only use self-destroying power, where KVL and KCL take precedent. In a fourth dimension scenario we can harness unlimited free voltage, suspend time itself (a 3D illusion) and use the unlimited current that flows by the conservation of energy in the form of unlimited flux. This does not violate KVL because voltage would be unlimited and the flowing current would be zero, yet in a timeless domain, the current is only limited by the amount of flux and not flowing current. In the 3D world, we need moving current to produce electricity. But in a 4D world, the flux provides current and the atoms that flow from a voltage source stay suspended in an absolute zero state.


God, I love when Adveser fucks a debate up with analogies coming from nowhere. :dio:


Plus one, my thoughts exactly!


To be honest, the 4D question is one possible theory towards the existance of God (if you will) or at least beings that we can't perceive but can interact with our 3D universe. I wouldn't have used his example though, and would probably point people towards reading Flatland in order to understand it a bit better but...

As we, 3D beings, can only see and interact on 3 planes we have no way of knowing what anything that uses 4 planes would look like aside from an incomplete image that can be seen using the dimensions we inhabit. You can also knock it down (as Flatland does) to 2D beings such as squares on a piece of paper. To them their entire universe is that sheet of paper, flattened out with no way of comprehending height. So to them a sphere passing though it would be a circle that gradually gets wider and thinner (from bottom, through the middle, to the top). The square will only see the sphere using its 2 comprehendable dimensions (length and breadth) and can only see a flattened intersection of the spphere at any moment in time. The same theory can be applied to us and 4D beings.

:ph34r:


Pretty much nailed it on the head. There is always a higher order math or set of harmonics that drastically affect the outcome. I'm surprised audio engineers are just now learning this. Everyone wants to record with up to 96Khz frequencies now because they understand that the twop octaves above what we can hear effect what we can hear. I'd go so far to say every octave that is in the audio spectrum (before it becomes a radio wave) is absolutely critical to making a realistic sound, which is why recordings always sound fake, no matter how good.

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traptunderice wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
I fail to see any difference between one that denies the existence of god and one that claims that he exists.
Both are fooling themselves, thinking they "know" what the truth really is. And both are generally arrogant, condescending assholes that think they have the answer, when, really they don't, and beyond that cannot prove their case. Both are engaged in giant leaps of faith, only on opposing sides.

Is their anything more futile thatn arguing about the existence of god?
Yeah you're right but the burden of proof usually lies on the person who is claiming something out of nothing rather than on the person who is simply being agnostic to its possibility or claiming it isn't there according to everything we know.


I'm not religious so I can't say for sure but to me it seems like believing in God is as important and fundamental as believing in proofs, so the idea of burden of proof doesn't make a whole lot of sense when applied to spirituality.


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My problem with religion is their absolute inability to understand thier very own texts.

For example, in India is a common-wide understanding that Aliens created the human race. This isn't news to anyone over there.

Yeah, I'm one of those people, but seriously. The ancient Sumerian texts both accurately predate scientific knowledge we didn't possess and also accurately predicts it as well. Like the two snakes wrapped around each other to represent on of the ancient gods, IE what you see on an ambulance. This is the double helix of DNA which was not known until very recently, yet was used liberally throughout history to represent the medical field.

The conception of dinosaurs is another clue. We thought they were giant lizards until the last decade or so, maybe. The ancient Sumerians drew pictures of half-alien and half-human hybrids as looking like Dinos/Reptiles, but with feathers, which is what we currently understand dinos to look like. They knew exactly what science had yet to discover.

And what about that portion of our DNA they can not trace back to Earthly origins, despite being able to do so with every other species on the planet.

In conclusion. I think the ancient Sumerian bible is a chronicle of human history and the works based on it that form the basis of modern religion is complete garbage based on assumption, misunderstanding of translation and the hypocrisy mankind would apply to it.

While I'm at it, 99% of the Earth's species have gone extinct. What makes people so stupid to think that what little is left is our responsibility to preserve or let alone "our fault?"

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Many :lol: but something about that just seems more right the more I read it. My mind is duly blown.


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Goat wrote:
Many :lol: but something about that just seems more right the more I read it. My mind is duly blown.


+1 :lol: , the funniest thing is he truly makes me want to read more about Sumerian ancient writings. I have nothing but respect for Addy's crazy posts.

Sir, I salute you. Chapeau bas.


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awesome, i have a feeling that certain people here could waste away entire days with it lol.

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Just another thing Gene needs to put balls in holes.


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Just another thing Gene needs to put balls in holes.
Umm when you're having sex you don't put your balls in the hole...

That double helix thing is blowing me away right now. Coincidences aren't proof though, right?

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Could just be that the helix thing looks pretty.


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Just another thing Gene needs to put balls in holes.


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The Paramore female is on the new cover of Cosmo and I approve of her photoshopped cleavage. Tres mignonne elle est.

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