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I never once advocated mandatory ID cards. I just don't see the problem of govt-issued IDs like I said. I'm opposed to SB 1070 mind you.

The "think 25" thing is to crackdown on underage drinking. We do under 40 in Ohio no joke for smokes and booze. If you want to buy something which requires proof of age then you need to have proof of your age. Maybe it's not as big of a deal over here since getting your driver's license is second nature but the sale of liquor is regulated and if you want to buy it you have to meet those regulations.

The "gunpoint" thing isn't what bothers me. It's the unabashed everyone needs to be converted and given the message that irks me. Some would accuse me of the same thing with communism but i still want free thinking and diversity and democracy. I want people to bitch and argue and complain; I just want workers owning their businesses. What Huckabee is talking about is this weird convert and buy into our political views through our religious views. There is this weird thing that the Barton guy does where he takes republican talking points and pads them in christian catchwords. There is something that is repugnant about that and I think it should be whether you're a republican, democrat, anarchist, communist, etc. Maybe I just don't understand because I'm an atheist.

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We do under 40 in Ohio no joke for smokes and booze.


:blink: Jesus. Land of the free, eh? Is being clearly of a certain age not proof enough?

And I suppose I see where you're coming from re atheism, but have you never heard of Christian Socialism? Ideologies can be mixed pretty freely, and people can believe what they like, and that applies as much to religion as to politics, and both together. Mock it, certainly, but I don't see it as this terrible threat that you seem to. You're just bigoted. :wink:


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Even Christian socialism was a love everyone, follow Jesus' dictates and just create the utopian heaven in this world. Huckabee and Barton want to turn America into a Christian theme park and living near the Creationist Museum and seeing how these people distort facts blegh repulsive. People are trying to prohibit abortion on terms of non-existent funding; I just couldn't imagine what debates would be like with someone like Huckabee running the show. Swanky businessmen like Romney, I prefer to, the religious.

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Even Christian socialism was a love everyone, follow Jesus' dictates and just create the utopian heaven in this world. Huckabee and Barton want to turn America into a Christian theme park and living near the Creationist Museum and seeing how these people distort facts blegh repulsive. People are trying to prohibit abortion on terms of non-existent funding; I just couldn't imagine what debates would be like with someone like Huckabee running the show. Swanky businessmen like Romney, I prefer to, the religious.


Romney also had some good ideas regarding illegal immigration last election :wub:


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Even Christian socialism was a love everyone, follow Jesus' dictates and just create the utopian heaven in this world.


Think you'll find that was more to do with the socialism than the Christianity! :D

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Huckabee and Barton want to turn America into a Christian theme park and living near the Creationist Museum and seeing how these people distort facts blegh repulsive. People are trying to prohibit abortion on terms of non-existent funding; I just couldn't imagine what debates would be like with someone like Huckabee running the show. Swanky businessmen like Romney, I prefer to, the religious.


Don't really know enough about Huckabee to argue the point more, but I don't disagree - religion and government should be separated. Amazing that you have a constitution saying that exact thing and yet religion plays more of a role in your republican country than our sad old secular constitutional monarchy.


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When your whole account is founded in conflict and dialectics, utopia is kinda ruled out of the picture.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13251614


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
More propaganda...this time about agricultural industry.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
Although I did love Obama's jabs at Trump...

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There wasn't anything remotely funny about the White House correspondents dinner. People have lost their homes in the Texas wildfires, the Alabama tornadoes, Obozo still hasn't helped the people of the Gulf adequately either. The bastard has the nerve to dine with socialites and politicians, yet he can't repair the country that got him elected. Fuck him


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There wasn't anything remotely funny about the White House correspondents dinner. People have lost their homes in the Texas wildfires, the Alabama tornadoes, Obozo still hasn't helped the people of the Gulf adequately either. The bastard has the nerve to dine with socialites and politicians, yet he can't repair the country that got him elected. Fuck him
Every president since Coolidge has attended the damn things during equal, if not worse, times in our country. Get over yourself.

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There wasn't anything remotely funny about the White House correspondents dinner. People have lost their homes in the Texas wildfires, the Alabama tornadoes, Obozo still hasn't helped the people of the Gulf adequately either. The bastard has the nerve to dine with socialites and politicians, yet he can't repair the country that got him elected. Fuck him
Every president since Coolidge has attended the damn things during equal, if not worse, times in our country. Get over yourself.

Every damn president since as far back as I can remember has had their personal lives, everything from school grades to their lineage to traffic tickets relentlessly scrutinized under a microscope yet when the same standard is attempted to be applied to Zero, it's racism...
and the loser has some serious baggage. What is this shit?


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I must say, however, that as someone who has undoubtedly benefited from affirmative action programs during my academic career, and as someone who may have benefited from the Law Review's affirmative action policy when I was selected to join the Review last year, I have not personally felt stigmatized either within the broader law school community or as a staff member of the Review


http://www.hlrecord.org/mobile/2.4475/r ... n-1.577511

It seems Trump (joke that he is) has a valid point in bringing up his grades.



I'm with Steve.
Fuck this affirmative action asshat, fuck the limousine liberal hollywood rubberheads that worship the jackass... and fuck anybody else braindead enough to still swing from his nuts.

I read that Trump was booed by the so-called journalists... yeah, no bias there. If this country had a media that was even halfway impartrial and honest, this loser would be assured a single term.
Hell, he never would have made it past the primaries.


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traptunderice wrote:
stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
There wasn't anything remotely funny about the White House correspondents dinner. People have lost their homes in the Texas wildfires, the Alabama tornadoes, Obozo still hasn't helped the people of the Gulf adequately either. The bastard has the nerve to dine with socialites and politicians, yet he can't repair the country that got him elected. Fuck him
Every president since Coolidge has attended the damn things during equal, if not worse, times in our country. Get over yourself.


Presidents have a damn responsibility to this country in the time of crisis that's their fucking job not playing host to social dinners so get over your fucking self :rolleyes:


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It bears repeating: Hilary Clinton won the popular vote in the 2008 nomination process.

A shame the popular vote doesn't matter in US elections.


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stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
There wasn't anything remotely funny about the White House correspondents dinner. People have lost their homes in the Texas wildfires, the Alabama tornadoes, Obozo still hasn't helped the people of the Gulf adequately either. The bastard has the nerve to dine with socialites and politicians, yet he can't repair the country that got him elected. Fuck him
Every president since Coolidge has attended the damn things during equal, if not worse, times in our country. Get over yourself.


Presidents have a damn responsibility to this country in the time of crisis that's their fucking job not playing host to social dinners so get over your fucking self :rolleyes:
Every fucking president does this. What the fuck are you people going on about? When Bush was president, we all laughed how Colbert dominated on them, not how Bush was busy smoking cigars and drinking bourbon when people we're dying in the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan, two countries devastated to rack and ruin by his choices, California wildfires encroaching on the suburbs, people drowning, starving and homeless in New Orleans after Katrina, people being put out on the streets or shacking up with their families as they were being foreclosed upon. Obviously, shit happens in the world and to act like politicians aren't always doing this fucking glitz and glamor shit every night, you'd have to be an idiot to claim such ignorance. The Correspondent's dinner just happens out in the open and the article is critiquing how fucking bourgy it has actually become.

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Actually, I remember the lefties / press / media tearing W to shreds at every oppurtunity with a hatred that was visceral.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
stevelovesmoonspell wrote:
There wasn't anything remotely funny about the White House correspondents dinner. People have lost their homes in the Texas wildfires, the Alabama tornadoes, Obozo still hasn't helped the people of the Gulf adequately either. The bastard has the nerve to dine with socialites and politicians, yet he can't repair the country that got him elected. Fuck him
Every president since Coolidge has attended the damn things during equal, if not worse, times in our country. Get over yourself.

Every damn president since as far back as I can remember has had their personal lives, everything from school grades to their lineage to traffic tickets relentlessly scrutinized under a microscope yet when the same standard is attempted to be applied to Zero, it's racism...
and the loser has some serious baggage. What is this shit?
He graduated magna cum laude. Why the fuck do you need his exact transcripts? And since when did grades of a president matter, given Bush's obvious intellectual prowess.

Trump was probably boo-ed because of the "joke that he is", turning a presidential run into a way to boost ratings and give attention to hack conspiracy theories. If we had a media that way even halfway impartial and honest, nobody would vote for a single politician in office these days. Let's not act like FOX owns a large stake in the media as if it was objective and partial.

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Actually, I remember the lefties / press / media tearing W to shreds at every oppurtunity with a hatred that was visceral.
And the right and Fox are doing that right now. Critiques of Obama tank into talking about his birth certificate, grades, funding of his education, where he goes to church, rather than actually taking into account the effect of the actual policies he has created, which I would disentangle from the effects of Bush's presidency yet still aren't that great. And obviously I'm not saying you all do this but that's the standard discourse of critique. If actual talk about his policies occurs, it occurs in a vacuum devoid of explaining the reasons as to why he is promoting what he does.

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Doesn't surprise me that you hang on his nuts Trapt. You're nothing but a liberal left wing robot brainwashed by the Washington puppet masters who dare to bring this country down and replace them with their own rule :rolleyes:


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Doesn't surprise me that you hang on his nuts Trapt. You're nothing but a liberal left wing robot brainwashed by the Washington puppet masters who dare to bring this country down and replace them with their own rule :rolleyes:
If they are puppet masters of Washington, wouldn't they already be ruling insofar as they control everything? Fucking idiot. I get my politics from academia not Washington. As for Obama, I've posted links critical of him and honestly, he's the best of two really bad options. I'd defend him insofar as I voted for him and had potential to affect things but obviously shot that game long ago.

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Actually, I remember the lefties / press / media tearing W to shreds at every oppurtunity with a hatred that was visceral.
And the right and Fox are doing that right now. Critiques of Obama tank into talking about his birth certificate, grades, funding of his education, where he goes to church, rather than actually taking into account the effect of the actual policies he has created, which I would disentangle from the effects of Bush's presidency yet still aren't that great. And obviously I'm not saying you all do this but that's the standard discourse of critique. If actual talk about his policies occurs, it occurs in a vacuum devoid of explaining the reasons as to why he is promoting what he does.


What do you mean he's the best of two viable options, its a mentality like this that eclipses better candidates whether they be Mckinney, Barr, Paul, Kucinich, pr Nader. The policies he created speak for themselves he deepened the debt Bush and his predecessors created, failed to close GITMO, kept the wars going, reinstated the Patriot Act and military Commissions Act, maintained the Too big to fail philosophy, is in violation of the War powers act with his unconstitutional assault on Libya, and has been in ways worse than Bush for the aforementioned reasons. Your talking points are straight from MSNBC, and I am still on the left on many issues, and I even voted for the guy myself until I grew up and realized he has been a disaster for this country. I am going to assume that half of the bullshit you call valid criticism is just the nonsense from FAUX, as you should know that other posters here can give sound reasoning for why he is a fuckup.


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