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Just no dude.

The SNP want an independent Scotland in Europe, right? Do they also want the Euro, as would be inevitable? Fridge might be ok with that, can't see your average Scot being as cheery at the prospect... Salmond would be mad to try.

And a bitter for the SNP taking credit for abolishing tuition fees in Scotland, a process started under the LD/Labour coalition and only made possible with LD votes up there.

Joining the EU and adopting the Euro is explicit on the SNP's propaganda agenda.

Butthurt, Goat? Labour and LD have lost credibility. The SNP hasn't.

"propaganda agenda" -

Hm, perhaps a little, it's rather amazing that even Al-Megrahi barely dented y'all. Oh well.

The final polling looks like AV is lost by a landslide. Good news buried in amidst the bad, though - ICM has us on 15% at the moment, I think predictions of collapse are a bit hasty. (fingers crossed, fingers crossed). Up before 6 tomorrow for election day campaigning, joy.

I don't see how people could still vote for FPTP after all the obvious arguments against it.

People are dumb, and need a voting system that suits them.

@Fridge - no has something like 65% at the moment. Well, the No campaign are excellent at making up plausible reasons against AV, however full of crap they are on close examination. That, plus a truly shitty Yes campaign, and you have it. Stephen Fry and Benjamin Zephaniah may be appealing to metropolitan twentysomethings, but they aren't the ones that should have been targeted in the first place... all the don't cares have been utterly ignored, I expect turnout to be brutally pathetic. Sidelining Nigel Farage and UKIP was an especially bad mistake. Unless we can persuade your average tribal Labour supporter to go with Miliband over this, we are screwed.

Glasgow Airport Rail Link: Scrapped by SNP.
Edinburgh Trams, opted for by the SNP over the above rail link: Delayed beyond belief.
The promise to remove all student debt: Didn't happen. Won't happen.
Council Tax Freezes: Hits services and jobs.
Homecoming: A catastrophe of the highest order.
Selling out to Trump: Are you kidding me?

Basically if you're south of Dundee and not an SNP run council you're fucked. I can give a few examples from my constituency as well.

In East Ayrshire we have an SNP/Tory run council, in Labour's heart land of all places. All of the money is pumped into the one spot. The place that voted SNP. They've spent millions on council offices, buildings and services in Kilmarnock over the past few years, and are currently now getting round to "rejuvenating" my town centre with plans that have been in the pipeline for at least a decade. These renovations have been made secondary to them building new council buildings that they decided to add to the plans at the last minute. They have run over budget, potentially throwing the badly needed facelift down the drain. This is excluding all the little villages and towns way out in the hills that are becoming one stop short of deserted.

Also, North Ayrshire is about to die on its arse. One of the main employers there is Hunterston Nuclear Plant, which is due to either be decommissioned or replaced soon with nothing to fill the void if it goes. The SNP don't do nuclear remember? They have potential tourism that they could possibly use, but all councils are cutting costs everywhere. Where are they supposed to get the money to pay for these plans when they can't raise any capitol next to rising costs?

You live up north man, and have done so for 2 or 3 years at the most. I live in the arsehole of Scotland, and have done so for my entire life. The difference is massive. I'm in no way defending Labour or any of the rest, but the SNP do nothing but look after their own interests and pockets of influence.

Why in the fuck should I vote for the SNP?

P.S. The above post of mine may have raeg.

Because the other parties give even less of a shit?

Kind of fucking myself over here, but it's hardly to be unexpected - any political party with regional support is going to make good things for that area its number one priority. Take our local council down here, Tory largest group with minority administration, Labour second, we LDs third with just three wards. Everything we do in the council, we do for the good of those wards, and practically ignore the rest of the borough - the message being when/if challenged on this that if you want to be represented as well as those wards, vote for us (or what the message would be if we had any money, but anyway...)

Now obviously were we in power a la SNP, there'd be more widespread goodness for other wards, but I assume the SNP will present a similar argument - if you want in on the goodies, vote for the party that brings them! It's a better argument for us to make, since we can't be challenged on not supplying it like they can, but it sounds plausible enough to be a good media line from the mouth of a smooth operator like Salmond.

Fridge's "even so, we are teh best of a bad bunch" is a pretty poor argument in comparison. Tribal and easily challengeable.

I suspect that favouring only your core constituency is somehow due to FPTP...
Look, I'm not saying the SNP's perfect. I'm saying that compared to the Tories, Labour and the Lib Dems, they actually seem to be getting stuff done, and the numbers reflect this. Even fundamental, broader shit like tuition fees and the NHS, the SNP are on the ball where a lot of other parties fell down flat.

For someone who's supposed to be very pro-Scottish it seems like he's shooting himself in the foot for not supporting every region. You'd think he'd be trying to convince other places that the SNP are worth a shot instead of completely alienating them like they've done here, basically driving up the Labour support. Scottish people are fickle in that way, the place that votes SNP gets all the support therefore are dicks. It is very Scottish way of thinking, dunno if Fridge has heard of the "Ah kent his faither" phrase and what it's associated with but it'd apply here to a degree.



Scottish elections don't use FPTP, we use Proportional Representation, argument voided. I'm voting yes to AV too by the way. And I'd counter your statement about them doing stuff by saying that after Labour arrived things got better here (although after the Tories it'd be impossible to get worse), under the SNP they've stalled. It may not entirely be the SNP's with some things, like the Icelandic banks tanking, but there are really questionable decisions that they've made and anything they try to promise regarding students can't be believed. They sweet talked to students last time and didn't follow through. The council tax freeze that's extended for years is nuts too and needs lifted as soon as possible.

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We are utterly utterly fucked in the north. Labour and the unions have pulled a blinder, sneakily decapitated the councils we run and annihilated us deliberately over and above the Tories. It's an amazing national campaign, from our local three councillors defending their seats this year to the biggest northern cities where we've all but been destroyed - BBC has just announced that we've lost ten seats in Manchester and Labour have just retaken Sheffield council, the city where our leader's seat is. Still counting, but I think our local guys have lost, which is a tragedy, we never envisioned it being this bad. I dread to think what's happening in Scotland and Wales, apparently the SNP are crushing all up there.

Just - arrrgh. You think the collapse of the Canadian Liberals is bad, you've seen nothing yet.

Admittedly, they've fucking demolished everything up here. I'm hoping that it gives Scottish Labour a boot up the arse, they get shot of Grey and start trying instead of porting anyone with half a brain down to Westminster.

Rather gutted at the fact that I live in what was a safe Labour seat but only the Labour candidate went about people's doors and canvassed everywhere, what they should be doing in the first place regardless and hopefully will from now on. I should go see if Keir Hardie's spinning in his grave.

But yay, more of Salmond's gloating and ego for another five years . Hoping the Greens get a few more list seats though (haven't checked, just home, guess where my second vote went).

And it's official, the SNP have the majority vote. Commentators are saying that this has forever changed the UK, that Scotland has broken free of its labour allegiance and is blatantly detaching itself from England. This is unbelievable, the next few years will be incredibly interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgskbClWZ68

I'd not say that. To say that a vote for the SNP is a vote for independence is an outright lie and they've been stung before for even hinting at that. The independence vote is a completely different fight.

You are correct in saying that it'll be very interesting however.