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And it's official, the SNP have the majority vote. Commentators are saying that this has forever changed the UK, that Scotland has broken free of its labour allegiance and is blatantly detaching itself from England. This is unbelievable, the next few years will be incredibly interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgskbClWZ68


I'd not say that. To say that a vote for the SNP is a vote for independence is an outright lie and they've been stung before for even hinting at that. The independence vote is a completely different fight.

You are correct in saying that it'll be very interesting however.


That's not what I meant. Independence currently has about a 30-35% approval rate. The point is that the SNP has swept through areas that have been so pro-Labour in the past that a monkey with a red ribbon on it could have gotten elected. The allegiances have shifted completely, it's a clear sign that Scotland wants nothing more to do with Westminster based politics. Ian Mcwhirter from the Guardian said that "the UK will never be the same again." I'm inclined to agree.

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And it's official, the SNP have the majority vote. Commentators are saying that this has forever changed the UK, that Scotland has broken free of its labour allegiance and is blatantly detaching itself from England. This is unbelievable, the next few years will be incredibly interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgskbClWZ68


I'd not say that. To say that a vote for the SNP is a vote for independence is an outright lie and they've been stung before for even hinting at that. The independence vote is a completely different fight.

You are correct in saying that it'll be very interesting however.


That's not what I meant. Independence currently has about a 30-35% approval rate. The point is that the SNP has swept through areas that have been so pro-Labour in the past that a monkey with a red ribbon on it could have gotten elected. The allegiances have shifted completely, it's a clear sign that Scotland wants nothing more to do with Westminster based politics. Ian Mcwhirter from the Guardian said that "the UK will never be the same again." I'm inclined to agree.


The "blatantly detaching itself from England" line kinda implied that. Whoops on my part if you didn't mean it though.

And aye. The thing about the SNP is that they, obviously, focus on Scottish politics and keep their heavyweights up north while other parties tend to shift anybody half decent to Westminster, leaving a serious lack of talent for any of the other parties to work with. If they have any common sense it'll not be repeated though. Look at Wales, where the Welsh Labour party finally clued up a bit and worked their way to 50% control. If that happens up here then the next election should be good to watch even if it's gonna be a two horse race (sorry Goatster).

On that note, now that Scotland is SNP, Wales is Labour and Northern Ireland does as it pleases where does that leave the Tory/Lib Dem coalition in terms of being able to govern the UK as a whole? Kinda been made obvious that they're not wanted here or in Wales, not to mention the North of England and anywhere else that's having their councils painted red down there.


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What I meant by "detaching" is that Scotland has outright rejected the "English" political alternatives.

But regardless, I'm very, very, very excited.

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What I meant by "detaching" is that Scotland has outright rejected the "English" political alternatives.

But regardless, I'm very, very, very excited.


Where as I thought you meant they were getting the saws out.

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On that note, now that Scotland is SNP, Wales is Labour and Northern Ireland does as it pleases where does that leave the Tory/Lib Dem coalition in terms of being able to govern the UK as a whole?


Obviously our arguments are seriously flawed. I can only repeat what our party bigwigs have been saying lately - neither the media nor the public understand the difference between compromise and betrayal. Coalitions are natural to the rest of Europe... typical that we're behind in this manner.

By the by, Scottish indies should note that independence will likely mean permanent Conservative majority government in Westminster, as Labour will find it impossible to win the seats they need in the south. This, too, is interesting -

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/theto ... to-37.html

The Tories, despite significant losses, are up overall in terms of gained council seats. A very serious warning bell to us LDs - but those wanting a pact with Labour should look at the way those bastards have campaigned against us with their big red box of dirty tricks and think again.

Otherwise, one faintly bright spot for us was last night was that we weren't completely destroyed in Wales. Kirsty Williams deserves a lot of credit. Also, in towns where we have a Lib Dem MP, like Burnley, the Lib Dem vote seems to have held up. It's slowly becoming clear what we have to do and how we have to change as a party of local campaigners in order to make a comeback. Whether we'll manage to do that, or whether the leftist contingent will demand Clegg's head and cause our permanent collapse as a result is up in the air.


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By the by, Scottish indies should note that independence will likely mean permanent Conservative majority government in Westminster, as Labour will find it impossible to win the seats they need in the south.


I'm curious, how is this relevant to us? Wouldn't that be your problem?

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By the by, Scottish indies should note that independence will likely mean permanent Conservative majority government in Westminster, as Labour will find it impossible to win the seats they need in the south.


I'm curious, how is this relevant to us? Wouldn't that be your problem?


Heh, true. Jeez, so much for neighbourly concern.

Apparently Salmond is meeting Cameron tonight. Will the pair permanently fuck Labour in Scotland? Interesting times. And it looks like a Labour/Lib Dem coalition in Wales...


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By the by, Scottish indies should note that independence will likely mean permanent Conservative majority government in Westminster, as Labour will find it impossible to win the seats they need in the south.


I'm curious, how is this relevant to us? Wouldn't that be your problem?


Heh, true. Jeez, so much for neighbourly concern.

Apparently Salmond is meeting Cameron tonight. Will the pair permanently fuck Labour in Scotland? Interesting times. And it looks like a Labour/Lib Dem coalition in Wales...


Sorry :D But I'd rather condemn you lot to a Conservative majority than have Scotland suffer under a Conservative coalition.

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It's not like a Labour majority would be any better! I suppose we're doomed to propping up one or the other until we get voting reform through, which won't happen any time soon, it seems. Counting for the referendum is currently underway, predictions are that No won with 70% of the vote. A massive failure for the Yes campaign.


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Very sad indeed... Oh well, take the bad with the good. I can stand no AV with an SNP victory.

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FrigidSymphony wrote:
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By the by, Scottish indies should note that independence will likely mean permanent Conservative majority government in Westminster, as Labour will find it impossible to win the seats they need in the south.


I'm curious, how is this relevant to us? Wouldn't that be your problem?


Heh, true. Jeez, so much for neighbourly concern.

Apparently Salmond is meeting Cameron tonight. Will the pair permanently fuck Labour in Scotland? Interesting times. And it looks like a Labour/Lib Dem coalition in Wales...


Sorry :D But I'd rather condemn you lot to a Conservative majority than have Scotland suffer under a Conservative coalition.


Actually, I read earlier that Labour would have won in England in 97, 01 and 05 regardless of Scotland's input, so there you go. Was somewhere on the Guardian if you fancy hunting about for it. Haven't check the actual figures so could be utter tripe.

Even so, the Lib Dems need to do something about Clegg or simply grow a damned backbone instead of allowing the Tories to play you for fools and constantly using you as the fall guy.

Also, Iain Gray is (rightfully) falling on his sword over the results up here. I hope this'll be the fresh start for Scottish Labour and a step back into giving a damn about people.


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This happened here earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQPVgvakt6I

The one seat between Labour and control of the council came down to a draw between them and the Tories despite several recounts. So, obviously, they drew straws, and as a result the people of Bury are now ruled by Labour. An utter disgrace for democracy.


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Goat wrote:
This happened here earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQPVgvakt6I

The one seat between Labour and control of the council came down to a draw between them and the Tories despite several recounts. So, obviously, they drew straws, and as a result the people of Bury are now ruled by Labour. An utter disgrace for democracy.


Saw that too. Did this: :blink:.


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http://www.fox19.com/story/14583414/rec ... -terrorist

Terrorists have different facial expressions than everyone else?

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:lol: Ah, the world's gone mad.


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:lol: Ah, the world's gone mad.


Indeed it has.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... mance.html

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A pub singer has been arrested on suspicion of racism for singing the classic chart hit Kung Fu Fighting.

The song, performed by Simon Ledger, 34, is said to have offended two Chinese people as they walked past the bar where he was singing.

The entertainer regularly performs the 1974 number one hit, originally by disco star Carl Douglas, at the Driftwood Beach Bar in Sandown, on the Isle of Wight.

But after one of the passers-by reported his routine on Sunday afternoon, Mr Ledger was arrested on suspicion of racially aggravated harassment


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:lol: Ah, the world's gone mad.


Indeed it has.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... mance.html

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A pub singer has been arrested on suspicion of racism for singing the classic chart hit Kung Fu Fighting.

The song, performed by Simon Ledger, 34, is said to have offended two Chinese people as they walked past the bar where he was singing.

The entertainer regularly performs the 1974 number one hit, originally by disco star Carl Douglas, at the Driftwood Beach Bar in Sandown, on the Isle of Wight.

But after one of the passers-by reported his routine on Sunday afternoon, Mr Ledger was arrested on suspicion of racially aggravated harassment
jesus christ...

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That song sucks anyway as well as the rest of disco.

Anyone who sings and performs that song should be arrested not because of racial prejudice but because of poor taste.


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