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What's funny is that this will (or should) assure a one term presidency for Zero...
can't blame the tea party on this, folks, they are a very small minority in the congress and have only had seats for a few months.
Not to mention that the D's had the majority from 2006-2010... when we saw the biggest spike in debt / biggest drop in employment.

The stim was never about helping the economy / the general public, it was about helping Washington's friends and intimates.
Do we really need to see who profited and who didn't? The data is out there.
Wake the fuck up, people.


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Bruce_Bitenfils wrote:
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"If the US Government was a family, they would be making $58,000 a year, they spend $75,000 a year, & are $327,000 in credit card debt. They are currently proposing BIG spending cuts to reduce their spending to $72,000 a year. These are the actual proportions of the federal budget & debt, reduced to a level we can understand." - Dave Ramsey

So, in a situation like this, what would make more sense?


a) Keep spending and borrowing
b) Bite the bullet and cut your spending and borrowing and live within your means
c) Ask your employer (the taxpayers) for a 50% wage increase in a fucked economy (keep in mind that you are inept, irresponsible and inefficient, barely (if at all) able to fulfill your duties on time and your boss knows it)



This example doesn't take into account that a country can't really go bankrupt as a household or a company can, but in this situation my favorite solution would be :

d) First, cut your spending down to $65,000 a year and temporarily raise taxes (i.e. get a second job) to match the spendings, and then later, see if you can break even at $58,000.

But as you said, Americans are not fond of taxes, so... b) obviously. A second-best choice, I'd say.


Our credit rating is shot, for the first time ever. I would imagine that it will make it harder for the US to borrow and it (the FED) will raise interest rates, hurting average people. And jobs will suffer even further.

I intentionally left out a "d" choice of combining tax increases and cuts, because like you said, we are not fond of tax increases.
And raising tax on the wealthy is not what this country is about. Class warfare has no place in our politics.
And getting a second job is a false analogy. The government is not proposing taxing other countries, i.e. a second source in "income.
Using the household analogy again, is it ok for that same household to just steal from those that have managed to succeed and accumalate wealth?
It's not their fault you (the household, not you literally) are incompetent and reckless in your spending habits, is it?


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And raising tax on the wealthy is not what this country is about. Class warfare has no place in our politics.
Using the household analogy again, is it ok for that same household to just steal from those that have managed to succeed and accumalate wealth?
It's not their fault you (the household, not you literally) are incompetent and reckless in your spending habits, is it?


Mmm, I can very well see your point, but the thing is, tax is really not appreciated the same way where you live and where I live : they sound to be a punishment in your culture (your "it's not their fault" part). In ours it's not (necessarily), it's more a mean to make impossible things a reality. And, tax is always better than fucking debt.

Also, it comes directly from Otto von Bismarck (who really wasn't a leftist son of a bitch). Redistributing wealth is a way to buy social peace. So far it's been effective... but for how long ? We'll see.


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Bruce_Bitenfils wrote:
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And raising tax on the wealthy is not what this country is about. Class warfare has no place in our politics.
Using the household analogy again, is it ok for that same household to just steal from those that have managed to succeed and accumalate wealth?
It's not their fault you (the household, not you literally) are incompetent and reckless in your spending habits, is it?


Mmm, I can very well see your point, but the thing is, tax is really not appreciated the same way where you live and where I live : they sound to be a punishment in your culture (your "it's not their fault" part). In ours it's not (necessarily), it's more a mean to make impossible things a reality. And, tax is always better than fucking debt.

Also, it comes directly from Otto von Bismarck (who really wasn't a leftist son of a bitch). Redistributing wealth is a way to buy social peace. So far it's been effective... but for how long ? We'll see.


Well, obviously we have a wholly different philosophy regarding such matters.
It's not even a part of the left / right paradigm; it's the core principles on which our country is founded.


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cry of the banshee wrote:
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And raising tax on the wealthy is not what this country is about. Class warfare has no place in our politics.
Using the household analogy again, is it ok for that same household to just steal from those that have managed to succeed and accumalate wealth?
It's not their fault you (the household, not you literally) are incompetent and reckless in your spending habits, is it?


Mmm, I can very well see your point, but the thing is, tax is really not appreciated the same way where you live and where I live : they sound to be a punishment in your culture (your "it's not their fault" part). In ours it's not (necessarily), it's more a mean to make impossible things a reality. And, tax is always better than fucking debt.

Also, it comes directly from Otto von Bismarck (who really wasn't a leftist son of a bitch). Redistributing wealth is a way to buy social peace. So far it's been effective... but for how long ? We'll see.


Well, obviously we have a wholly different philosophy regarding such matters.
It's not even a part of the left / right paradigm; it's the core principles on which our country is founded.


Yes.
And regardless on how we feel about tax, cutting spendings remain the first, inevitable thing to do. 2012 is going to be, I hope, a turning point, with 3 major elections (I am aware of) in three countries belonging to the G8. I can't wait.


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Bruce_Bitenfils wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
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cry of the banshee wrote:
And raising tax on the wealthy is not what this country is about. Class warfare has no place in our politics.
Using the household analogy again, is it ok for that same household to just steal from those that have managed to succeed and accumalate wealth?
It's not their fault you (the household, not you literally) are incompetent and reckless in your spending habits, is it?


Mmm, I can very well see your point, but the thing is, tax is really not appreciated the same way where you live and where I live : they sound to be a punishment in your culture (your "it's not their fault" part). In ours it's not (necessarily), it's more a mean to make impossible things a reality. And, tax is always better than fucking debt.

Also, it comes directly from Otto von Bismarck (who really wasn't a leftist son of a bitch). Redistributing wealth is a way to buy social peace. So far it's been effective... but for how long ? We'll see.


Well, obviously we have a wholly different philosophy regarding such matters.
It's not even a part of the left / right paradigm; it's the core principles on which our country is founded.


Yes.
And regardless on how we feel about tax, cutting spendings remain the first, inevitable thing to do. 2012 is going to be, I hope, a turning point, with 3 major elections (I am aware of) in three countries belonging to the G8. I can't wait.


I like you Bruce, but sadly I think (in our case, at least) you are being too optimistic.

These graphics sum up American government pretty well:

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The fucked up thing is, it really just hurts regular people trying to make a life for themselves and their families.

Still, ignorance among my fellow countrymen (those that still buy the whole Rep vs. Dem hoax) is no excuse.
Another graphic:

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Yup. Still got the same Jewish lobbies regardless.


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Ho! Wait! Those jewish lobbies even run Metal Reviews! :omfg:

:lol:


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Ho! Wait! Those jewish lobbies even run Metal Reviews! :omfg:

:lol:


Nevertheless, they are still the best organized and most powerful lobby group on capitol hill. You do believe in lobby groups right?


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OHHH THE STUPID, IT BURNS!!!

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Cú Chulainn wrote:
OHHH THE STUPID, IT BURNS!!!


I'm sure it must.


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Ho! Wait! Those jewish lobbies even run Metal Reviews! :omfg:

:lol:

I'd have expected less scepticism from someone whose current president is also a member of the exalted race.


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Conspiracies! Everywhere! Go get your gun Joe and shoot those jews and commies! Shoot to kill, Joe!

....the exalted race.... really?... :lame:


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GeneralDiomedes wrote:
The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Ho! Wait! Those jewish lobbies even run Metal Reviews! :omfg:

:lol:


Nevertheless, they are still the best organized and most powerful lobby group on capitol hill. You do believe in lobby groups right?


Shhh... we're not allowed to address this, didn't you hear?
What are you, some kinda anti-semite or something?
:lol:


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OHHH THE STUPID, IT BURNS!!!


I'm sure it must.


Sorry, I was watching Real Time with Bill Maher and got really really depressed.

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Cú Chulainn wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
Cú Chulainn wrote:
OHHH THE STUPID, IT BURNS!!!


I'm sure it must.


Sorry, I was watching Real Time with Bill Maher and got really really depressed.


Guests and topic?


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Conspiracies! Everywhere! Go get your gun Joe and shoot those jews and commies! Shoot to kill, Joe!

....the exalted race.... really?... :lame:


:lol:
Your reaction both here and the post count plus one thread smacks of fear and desperation.


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Desperation? Nope, don't think so.
Fear? Certainly not.

You're not the perspective kind, I see.


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The Annoying Frenchman wrote:
Desperation? Nope, don't think so.
Fear? Certainly not.

You're not the perspective kind, I see.

:lol:
Yeah, sure thing there sparky...

Well let's discuss the influence of zionist lobbying in the US, then.

What are your thoughts on it?


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