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Euphoreon - Euphoreon
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Woah. Not a huge melo-death guy but I'll check it out. No reason not to when it's FREE.


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Will check it out.


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Fair play. I'm two songs in and the blend of classic Bodom and In Flames influence cannot go unnoticed. Very impressive stuff indeed.

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Good! But nowhere near wintersun`s debut!! JARI is A GOD! cant even compare with jaris work. 86 poins for me. Still decent stuff! But it feels like a copycat between wintersun,in flames, norther and kalmah.


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Thanks for the review. Euphoreon's album is incredibly good and even though we may all debate the merits of the comparisons this review has steered me to some great albums that I had not previously given a chance. Thank you Chris.


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Wow! I'm excited to hear it. Your favorites are some of mine too so I'm sure I will like it.


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B.Breeg wrote:
Thanks for the review. Euphoreon's album is incredibly good and even though we may all debate the merits of the comparisons this review has steered me to some great albums that I had not previously given a chance. Thank you Chris.


You're welcome :), I'm glad I can help.
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Kung Wilhelm wrote:
Good! But nowhere near wintersun`s debut!! JARI is A GOD! cant even compare with jaris work. 86 poins for me. Still decent stuff! But it feels like a copycat between wintersun,in flames, norther and kalmah.


Jari is awesome and so is the first Wintersun album, and I can't wait to review the next one, whenever decade it will come to. We however all have taste, and while production and vocals are better on Wintersun's debut, however this album brings me more emotions than Wintersun's debut. I find it more focused, more constant. While there are 3 songs that are godly in Wintersun album, I find all of them are amazing here. It flows perfectly from beginning to end. That's why I find this album superior, if only by a bit. I look forward for their next album, hoping they will have better production and that vocals might improve a bit (they are great but I largely prefer Jari's singing).

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Chris@MetalReviews wrote:
Kung Wilhelm wrote:
Good! But nowhere near wintersun`s debut!! JARI is A GOD! cant even compare with jaris work. 86 poins for me. Still decent stuff! But it feels like a copycat between wintersun,in flames, norther and kalmah.


Jari is awesome and so is the first Wintersun album, and I can't wait to review the next one, whenever decade it will come to. We however all have taste, and while production and vocals are better on Wintersun's debut, however this album brings me more emotions than Wintersun's debut. I find it more focused, more constant. While there are 3 songs that are godly in Wintersun album, I find all of them are amazing here. It flows perfectly from beginning to end. That's why I find this album superior, if only by a bit. I look forward for their next album, hoping they will have better production and that vocals might improve a bit (they are great but I largely prefer Jari's singing).

Just my 2 cents
Chris


When I started making the album the last thing on my mind was trying to compete with Wintersun :D The fact that someone thinks it's as good is amazing to me. With regards to vocals and production, the only reason I started singing is because I knew I wouldn't find anyone else to do it... and since I sung to Jari/Petri stuff a lot I guess it comes off a bit that way, so to suit this kind of music. Of course we would like a better production but considering the album was made entirely at home, I think it's pretty respectable, no labels were interested either - so it's all up to us. That is why it's more of a hobby side-project right now. I think Time is going to be far better than the S/T.

Kung Wilhelm wrote:
Good! But nowhere near wintersun`s debut!! JARI is A GOD! cant even compare with jaris work. 86 poins for me. Still decent stuff! But it feels like a copycat between wintersun,in flames, norther and kalmah.


My influences are pretty obvious, but I've never listened to In Flames or Kalmah (that much). Starchild and Battle Against Time are my favourite songs. Was definitely not trying to be original, but since those bands (Norther, CoB) aren't what they used to be I thought I would *try* to carry on the stuff I liked so much.


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Chris@MetalReviews wrote:
Kung Wilhelm wrote:
Good! But nowhere near wintersun`s debut!! JARI is A GOD! cant even compare with jaris work. 86 poins for me. Still decent stuff! But it feels like a copycat between wintersun,in flames, norther and kalmah.


Jari is awesome and so is the first Wintersun album, and I can't wait to review the next one, whenever decade it will come to. We however all have taste, and while production and vocals are better on Wintersun's debut, however this album brings me more emotions than Wintersun's debut. I find it more focused, more constant. While there are 3 songs that are godly in Wintersun album, I find all of them are amazing here. It flows perfectly from beginning to end. That's why I find this album superior, if only by a bit. I look forward for their next album, hoping they will have better production and that vocals might improve a bit (they are great but I largely prefer Jari's singing).

Just my 2 cents
Chris


When I started making the album the last thing on my mind was trying to compete with Wintersun :D The fact that someone thinks it's as good is amazing to me. With regards to vocals and production, the only reason I started singing is because I knew I wouldn't find anyone else to do it... and since I sung to Jari/Petri stuff a lot I guess it comes off a bit that way, so to suit this kind of music. Of course we would like a better production but considering the album was made entirely at home, I think it's pretty respectable, no labels were interested either - so it's all up to us. That is why it's more of a hobby side-project right now. I think Time is going to be far better than the S/T.

Kung Wilhelm wrote:
Good! But nowhere near wintersun`s debut!! JARI is A GOD! cant even compare with jaris work. 86 poins for me. Still decent stuff! But it feels like a copycat between wintersun,in flames, norther and kalmah.


My influences are pretty obvious, but I've never listened to In Flames or Kalmah (that much). Starchild and Battle Against Time are my favourite songs. Was definitely not trying to be original, but since those bands (Norther, CoB) aren't what they used to be I thought I would *try* to carry on the stuff I liked so much.


I believe I should have put more emphasis on the fact that you did all that yourself, no labels. Big big hats off for that ! Also it is beyond respectable, many label backed-up albums aren't that well produced. I do yearn to listen to your songs if they were produced by a, excuse the name "big shot"... Not to diminish the production of this album, au contraire, again it's more than respectable. But I'm sure you agree it would benefit from a stronger sound (think Edguy produced albums like Hellfire Club).

So you are telling us that labels, all of them, are so mindnumingly stupid to have turn you down ? not a single deal ? or were there just bad ones ? If any of these label who rejected you read this, I have a message for them : "go sell potatoes on the market, you are not made for metal and do understand nothing about metal, let alone music itself". How can label not FIGHT to get you, I don't understand this...

I really hope Euphoreon will become more than a hobby project ! It needs to go on and make more songs, it would make me very sad otherwise (not that my feelings matter in the most...). Hopefully project or pro, Euphoreon has a future, and I believe you'll have a cult following in time. Hopefully some label will understand their mistake, and try to correct the grave error in judgement they have made. I have one question though, the album overall tone is melancholic to me, I didn't notice at first, but as time went by it became quite clear. Was this intentional ?

I will ask you this, have you asked Intromental Management and presented them your music ? I know the boss quite well, Claus Jensen, and I would definitely recommand you, I would be shocked if he doesn't recognize talent in Euphoreon. Let me know and I can drop him a word about you. You can also contact them on your own, just say Chris from metalreviews.com told you to contact him.

Anyway, contact me if you want to discuss more about this, I'd do anything I could to help you get a label. Intromental is the place to start, but I'd gladly expand my contact circle if it would help. I'd also be honored to help with the next effort art wise. The artwork is amazing but the booklet could have been better, and I have done some, so if you'd like, I can help there as well.

Funnily (well actually not really), Starchild is my favorite Wintersun song as well :). Until Eleventh Heaven came around it was my favorite melodeath (and maybe all-time) song. I compared Eleventh Heaven to Starchild with the friend who made me discover Euphoreon.

I also hope Time will be better, I'm just getting restless waiting for it.

Thanks for all the details, an eye opener, and makes me love (and respect) the album even more. I really can't understand how no label was interested, it baffles me !

Keep up the good work.

Chris


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I believe I should have put more emphasis on the fact that you did all that yourself, no labels. Big big hats off for that ! Also it is beyond respectable, many label backed-up albums aren't that well produced. I do yearn to listen to your songs if they were produced by a, excuse the name "big shot"... Not to diminish the production of this album, au contraire, again it's more than respectable. But I'm sure you agree it would benefit from a stronger sound (think Edguy produced albums like Hellfire Club).

So you are telling us that labels, all of them, are so mindnumingly stupid to have turn you down ? not a single deal ? or were there just bad ones ? If any of these label who rejected you read this, I have a message for them : "go sell potatoes on the market, you are not made for metal and do understand nothing about metal, let alone music itself". How can label not FIGHT to get you, I don't understand this...

I really hope Euphoreon will become more than a hobby project ! It needs to go on and make more songs, it would make me very sad otherwise (not that my feelings matter in the most...). Hopefully project or pro, Euphoreon has a future, and I believe you'll have a cult following in time. Hopefully some label will understand their mistake, and try to correct the grave error in judgement they have made. I have one question though, the album overall tone is melancholic to me, I didn't notice at first, but as time went by it became quite clear. Was this intentional ?

I will ask you this, have you asked Intromental Management and presented them your music ? I know the boss quite well, Claus Jensen, and I would definitely recommand you, I would be shocked if he doesn't recognize talent in Euphoreon. Let me know and I can drop him a word about you. You can also contact them on your own, just say Chris from metalreviews.com told you to contact him.

Anyway, contact me if you want to discuss more about this, I'd do anything I could to help you get a label. Intromental is the place to start, but I'd gladly expand my contact circle if it would help. I'd also be honored to help with the next effort art wise. The artwork is amazing but the booklet could have been better, and I have done some, so if you'd like, I can help there as well.

Funnily (well actually not really), Starchild is my favorite Wintersun song as well :). Until Eleventh Heaven came around it was my favorite melodeath (and maybe all-time) song. I compared Eleventh Heaven to Starchild with the friend who made me discover Euphoreon.

I also hope Time will be better, I'm just getting restless waiting for it.

Thanks for all the details, an eye opener, and makes me love (and respect) the album even more. I really can't understand how no label was interested, it baffles me !

Keep up the good work.

Chris


We sent it to about 30 odd labels, big and small. No replies, haha :P

The tone wasn't intentional as such, I guess a lot of the music I listen to is quite melancholic, but as those bands the lyrics shouldn't be taken too seriously. Just thought that tone fit the music more.

Agree about the artwork, but sometimes you have to say enough is enough with regards to the booklet, gets expensive otherwise :P

Haven't asked Intromental, no. Considering we aren't a live playing band, that would have worked against us getting a deal. I live in New Zealand and the other guy lives in Germany so the album was made through email.


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This is a really good album. Guitar tone I think could be better. It's a little to warm and subdued in my personal opinion. I don't think it's the best melodic death or anything but it is really good.


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Outstanding music! Great impression after the first spin. Easily between 85-90 :dio:


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Chris@MetalReviews wrote:
I believe I should have put more emphasis on the fact that you did all that yourself, no labels. Big big hats off for that ! Also it is beyond respectable, many label backed-up albums aren't that well produced. I do yearn to listen to your songs if they were produced by a, excuse the name "big shot"... Not to diminish the production of this album, au contraire, again it's more than respectable. But I'm sure you agree it would benefit from a stronger sound (think Edguy produced albums like Hellfire Club).

So you are telling us that labels, all of them, are so mindnumingly stupid to have turn you down ? not a single deal ? or were there just bad ones ? If any of these label who rejected you read this, I have a message for them : "go sell potatoes on the market, you are not made for metal and do understand nothing about metal, let alone music itself". How can label not FIGHT to get you, I don't understand this...

I really hope Euphoreon will become more than a hobby project ! It needs to go on and make more songs, it would make me very sad otherwise (not that my feelings matter in the most...). Hopefully project or pro, Euphoreon has a future, and I believe you'll have a cult following in time. Hopefully some label will understand their mistake, and try to correct the grave error in judgement they have made. I have one question though, the album overall tone is melancholic to me, I didn't notice at first, but as time went by it became quite clear. Was this intentional ?

I will ask you this, have you asked Intromental Management and presented them your music ? I know the boss quite well, Claus Jensen, and I would definitely recommand you, I would be shocked if he doesn't recognize talent in Euphoreon. Let me know and I can drop him a word about you. You can also contact them on your own, just say Chris from metalreviews.com told you to contact him.

Anyway, contact me if you want to discuss more about this, I'd do anything I could to help you get a label. Intromental is the place to start, but I'd gladly expand my contact circle if it would help. I'd also be honored to help with the next effort art wise. The artwork is amazing but the booklet could have been better, and I have done some, so if you'd like, I can help there as well.

Funnily (well actually not really), Starchild is my favorite Wintersun song as well :). Until Eleventh Heaven came around it was my favorite melodeath (and maybe all-time) song. I compared Eleventh Heaven to Starchild with the friend who made me discover Euphoreon.

I also hope Time will be better, I'm just getting restless waiting for it.

Thanks for all the details, an eye opener, and makes me love (and respect) the album even more. I really can't understand how no label was interested, it baffles me !

Keep up the good work.

Chris


We sent it to about 30 odd labels, big and small. No replies, haha :P

The tone wasn't intentional as such, I guess a lot of the music I listen to is quite melancholic, but as those bands the lyrics shouldn't be taken too seriously. Just thought that tone fit the music more.

Agree about the artwork, but sometimes you have to say enough is enough with regards to the booklet, gets expensive otherwise :P

Haven't asked Intromental, no. Considering we aren't a live playing band, that would have worked against us getting a deal. I live in New Zealand and the other guy lives in Germany so the album was made through email.


Did you ever meet in person ? before, after or during production of the album. I mean it's already quite a feat to have such an amazing album made at home, but then a collaboration with someone on different continents. It proves one thing though to me, it proves that the internet age allows things that wouldn't have been possible before. Following that same logic you could be a studio band for a few years, and if you're willing, create a touring band later on. I imagine labels and management want their band touring, but if the sales of the album are good, maybe for the first few years that should be enough. I'm sure you'll find no difficulty, when and if you want, to find band mates to join you.

Is this something you'd be interested in down the line ? or any or both of you have families, kids and don't see yourselves touring ? Cause if its a possibility, then presenting it as such could help (at least I hope it would) finding a deal.


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AlexandeR wrote:
Outstanding music! Great impression after the first spin. Easily between 85-90 :dio:


Let me know the score after 20 spins :).


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marts wrote:
Chris@MetalReviews wrote:
Kung Wilhelm wrote:
Good! But nowhere near wintersun`s debut!! JARI is A GOD! cant even compare with jaris work. 86 poins for me. Still decent stuff! But it feels like a copycat between wintersun,in flames, norther and kalmah.


Jari is awesome and so is the first Wintersun album, and I can't wait to review the next one, whenever decade it will come to. We however all have taste, and while production and vocals are better on Wintersun's debut, however this album brings me more emotions than Wintersun's debut. I find it more focused, more constant. While there are 3 songs that are godly in Wintersun album, I find all of them are amazing here. It flows perfectly from beginning to end. That's why I find this album superior, if only by a bit. I look forward for their next album, hoping they will have better production and that vocals might improve a bit (they are great but I largely prefer Jari's singing).

Just my 2 cents
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When I started making the album the last thing on my mind was trying to compete with Wintersun :D The fact that someone thinks it's as good is amazing to me. With regards to vocals and production, the only reason I started singing is because I knew I wouldn't find anyone else to do it... and since I sung to Jari/Petri stuff a lot I guess it comes off a bit that way, so to suit this kind of music. Of course we would like a better production but considering the album was made entirely at home, I think it's pretty respectable, no labels were interested either - so it's all up to us. That is why it's more of a hobby side-project right now. I think Time is going to be far better than the S/T.

Kung Wilhelm wrote:
Good! But nowhere near wintersun`s debut!! JARI is A GOD! cant even compare with jaris work. 86 poins for me. Still decent stuff! But it feels like a copycat between wintersun,in flames, norther and kalmah.


My influences are pretty obvious, but I've never listened to In Flames or Kalmah (that much). Starchild and Battle Against Time are my favourite songs. Was definitely not trying to be original, but since those bands (Norther, CoB) aren't what they used to be I thought I would *try* to carry on the stuff I liked so much.


Nice to see one the members here on metalreviews! I dont want to take anything away from your music, it*s very well done! I just think its not fair to call this a better album than wintersun`s when you obviously recorded this with a drum machine. That´s just takes away the amazing job Kai Hahto does on Wintersun debut album.

But dont take me wrong my friend! You have a done an amazing to get an album this good just to record it from home. I understand how much you worked with it, because I play in band too with my brother that do exactly the same thing, record our songs at home an use a drum machine (Wilhelm- Viking folk metal) because we dont have the equipment to record with real drums. (our live drummer had Kai Hahto as drum teacher few years back!)

If someone wants to take a listen http://www.mikseri.net/artists/?id=69234

But I will defiently play your songs more, because they are cool and I hope we will hear more from you in the future.

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Kung Wilhelm wrote:
Nice to see one the members here on metalreviews! I dont want to take anything away from your music, it*s very well done! I just think its not fair to call this a better album than wintersun`s when you obviously recorded this with a drum machine. That´s just takes away the amazing job Kai Hahto does on Wintersun debut album.

But dont take me wrong my friend! You have a done an amazing to get an album this good just to record it from home. I understand how much you worked with it, because I play in band too with my brother that do exactly the same thing, record our songs at home an use a drum machine (Wilhelm- Viking folk metal) because we dont have the equipment to record with real drums. (our live drummer had Kai Hahto as drum teacher few years back!)

I someone wants to take listen http://www.mikseri.net/artists/?id=69234

But I will defiently play your songs more, because they are cool and I hope we will hear more from you in the future.

Kung Wilhelm


Of course, one album that 'does something' for someone can be dire to someone else. I'm definitely not making claims it's better than anything, that is not the goal here - if someone thinks that though, good on them :P Like I say, I wasn't trying to be original, but trying to extend on a genre I like a lot that doesn't seem to have that many current artists.

Kai is amazing, but we don't have a Kai available, haha. Well, we had a couple of capable drummers but the issue was sound/recording.

Your music is really nice!


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Thanks Chris for reviewing it, it's as good as WinterSun in my opinion. Great to see Matt joining the chat. Good Job Matt, this album is really a killer. Give us more!! :P :dio:


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