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Lemmy's a smart guy, but he is hopelessly naive in regards to our political system, it seems.
I suspect he doesn't like (R)money mainly due to his religion, at least in part.
Zero hasn't done anything of substance to "dismantle" the damage done by W; on the contrary, he has expanded on many of W's worst policies.

NDAA, anybody? Patriot Act extension?
The list goes on and on.

Well at least he didn't attribute Zero's opposition to the all-permeating, ever pervasive "R" word...
:lol:


Just another statist cog doing his part in turning this once great country upside down, Zero, and Moneybags won't be much better, and in fact will very likely sink us into a conflict with Iran.

Yay!


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traptunderice wrote:
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Ohfafucksake... this shit still?

Who gives a gold-plated fuck? Just get a job, hopefully doing something somewhat fulfilling, pay your bills and stand on your own two feet. Nothing complicated about life.


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People need to stop looking for handouts all the time. Pull your pants up, put your boots on, get your hands dirty and work for a living. Scary.
Completely agree with both of you. The problem is that many people can't find jobs and many people have jobs that don't pay their bills. And that's only going to get worse. The environment is getting worse. More absurd storms like Katrina and Sandy, displacing more people who work for a living. A lot of people go hungry and that is only going to get worse. A lot of violence occurs because shit is generally kinda fucked right now and that's only going to get worse. The days when people could lace up their boots each morning and grab a coat to be gone for eight hours and come home to adequacy is gone. I know it works for some people that way, but it doesn't for a lot of people.


Hurr durr. Then those displaced people should move to where the jobs are you know kind of like they did in the old days?


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traptunderice wrote:
DevotedWalnut wrote:
cry of the banshee wrote:
Ohfafucksake... this shit still?

Who gives a gold-plated fuck? Just get a job, hopefully doing something somewhat fulfilling, pay your bills and stand on your own two feet. Nothing complicated about life.


+1

People need to stop looking for handouts all the time. Pull your pants up, put your boots on, get your hands dirty and work for a living. Scary.
Completely agree with both of you. The problem is that many people can't find jobs and many people have jobs that don't pay their bills. And that's only going to get worse. The environment is getting worse. More absurd storms like Katrina and Sandy, displacing more people who work for a living. A lot of people go hungry and that is only going to get worse. A lot of violence occurs because shit is generally kinda fucked right now and that's only going to get worse. The days when people could lace up their boots each morning and grab a coat to be gone for eight hours and come home to adequacy is gone. I know it works for some people that way, but it doesn't for a lot of people.


We should definitely continue to let more and more immigrants over to NA take what work we have. There's no work for people, yet the population here is going up and up? Doesn't make sense.

I don't know shit about fuck, but I do know that a square won't fit into a circle. If you catch my drift.


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Tehom wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
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cry of the banshee wrote:
Ohfafucksake... this shit still?

Who gives a gold-plated fuck? Just get a job, hopefully doing something somewhat fulfilling, pay your bills and stand on your own two feet. Nothing complicated about life.


+1

People need to stop looking for handouts all the time. Pull your pants up, put your boots on, get your hands dirty and work for a living. Scary.
Completely agree with both of you. The problem is that many people can't find jobs and many people have jobs that don't pay their bills. And that's only going to get worse. The environment is getting worse. More absurd storms like Katrina and Sandy, displacing more people who work for a living. A lot of people go hungry and that is only going to get worse. A lot of violence occurs because shit is generally kinda fucked right now and that's only going to get worse. The days when people could lace up their boots each morning and grab a coat to be gone for eight hours and come home to adequacy is gone. I know it works for some people that way, but it doesn't for a lot of people.


Hurr durr. Then those displaced people should move to where the jobs are you know kind of like they did in the old days?
Where in the world are there jobs? This crisis is global in case you didn't catch how the EU had to bail out half of Europe (I don't know the details on that, a European would know more, but I know enough about Greece to know that shit is fucked.). There are sweatshops opening every day in China, Bangladesh, Honduras, Nicaragua, Vietnam, etc. Maybe we should just start shipping unemployed Americans to those countries? And if they're unemployed how would they afford the flights?

And at DW, I completely agree with you. A displaced migrant illegal workforce is incredibly problematic. Groups like that throughout history have been used as cheap labor to undercut the earlier workforce. If you can't import cheap labor, you ship the factory off to where labor is cheap. Two sides of the same coin. Populations are growing everywhere; jobs as a whole are disappearing. What do you do? Stopping the flow of illegal immigrants won't create jobs.

You know my answer: stop producing for a market and instead produce for need. But that's crazy talk. One thing you could do is give all illegals a work visa, makes them require a minimum wage. They quickly become not cheap labor. Organize them. Give them a union that they can fight for better wages with. Quickly, they will not be the go-to group of people for companies. Instead, the citizens of the given country will be able to work those jobs again. And honestly, the stigmatization of being working class, of operating a dish washer for eight hours a day needs to be lessened. Thoughts on that, boss?

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My thoughts are simple. North America, like the rest of the world, is fucked. Adding more and more people here will not help. Send them elsewhere, or stay home, and let us fix our problems here. Don't keep bringing them over and try to unionize them. That's silly. I understand that these people leave home and come here for the "American dream", but why should come here for it when we can't even achieve?

Again, you are much smarter on me on any this (and many other things) so I'm jus going off of personal experience here in the canadian work force.


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And I washed dishes full time for 2 years. Bam.


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why should come here for it when we can't even achieve?
No, I think you're right. Illegal immigrants want to have the opportunities that the American dream promises. The problem is that companies are willing to hire them when they come here. If companies didn't hire them, they wouldn't be taking our jobs. They come here, because they can achieve it. They pull their pants up, put their boots on and get their hands dirty. They make much less of a living than legal citizens would, but they see it as anything is better than nothing. I don't think we should bring people over. Unionizing them will make hiring them, for better or for worse, monetarily equal to hiring a citizen. Keep companies accountable basically is my argument.

I totally think that your personal experience is enough to ground a discussion of labor. The only reason I think how I think is because I grew up on a farm and got tossed into the service industry when I was sixteen. I've done it all but cook. A job is a job. They pay the bills.

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Obongo takes Ohio and secures a second term which means a gradual decline further for this country, and of course higher unemployment, a possible War with Iran, more redistribution of wealth, and less hope for a better economy. I hope the pieces of shit that voted for him enjoy the inevitable economic downturn as a result, dem poh welfare cases get what they want, the Dream Act anchor babies get free college at the cost of American taxpayers, and of course more massive military spending. Fuck both of em you get what you deserve, four more years and YES WE CAN!


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I got put in a mental institution in 2009 and couldn't find a job for a year and a half after I got out. Then I found a part time job for 10.00 an hour that was about 20 hours a week, not enough to live on my own on. Next job I found was minimum wage and I worked it for almost a year before quitting.

The economy really isn't that good and I applied at over 20 places in the area when I got put out of work. Now that I've barely been working for so long it's going to be tough doing anything with my illness.

Obama blows, but I don't want a mormon as president either with Iran trying to pull their bullshit.


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The warmongering statist won, huh? Good news on marijuana legalisation and gay marriage votes at least, let's hope Obama doesn't keep sending the feds in. And you never know, maybe a third Gulf war will be avoided.

As for immigration, make legal immigration easier, don't build a damn fence. Allowing poor people to travel to another country to find work (that while it may not be the best paid available is still a lot better than anything they had on offer at home) is the greatest anti-poverty measure in existence. More jobs for all, not higher wages for fewer.

Meanwhile, in British politics (*sigh*):

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As for immigration, make legal immigration easier, don't build a damn fence. Allowing poor people to travel to another country to find work (that while it may not be the best paid available is still a lot better than anything they had on offer at home) is the greatest anti-poverty measure in existence. More jobs for all, not higher wages for fewer.
More jobs? Everyone keeps saying this like it's so fucking easy. When there is at least fifteen percent unemployment here, you can't create enough jobs to help those people let alone a flux of immigration. Legal immigrants will end up not getting hired so long as their are illegals. Legal immigrants are no different than the unemployed American.

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Well, job creation is one thing, agreed, but raising minimum wages will mean fewer people get hired, even if they are paid more, is my point.


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a clever move while everyone payed attention to the US


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I (seriously) wish we had political ads like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... vR5qTUOTuY

Even just taking up the 'my name is x and I approve this message' would improve British politics no end.


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Obongo takes Ohio and secures a second term which means a gradual decline further for this country, and of course higher unemployment, a possible War with Iran, more redistribution of wealth, and less hope for a better economy. I hope the pieces of shit that voted for him enjoy the inevitable economic downturn as a result, dem poh welfare cases get what they want, the Dream Act anchor babies get free college at the cost of American taxpayers, and of course more massive military spending. Fuck both of em you get what you deserve, four more years and YES WE CAN!
Obongo!!!! Hahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!


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A Morman or a moron????? Thank the god who I don't believe in I couldn't vote due to my criminal past. As much as I don't care for the extremely religious, I really hate Obama. I don't know what I would of done had I been allowed to vote.


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What makes mormons more ridiculous than, say, Catholics? Really don't get left-wingers attacking some religions but not others. And that's speaking as an atheist Jew. :P


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What makes mormons more ridiculous than, say, Catholics? Really don't get left-wingers attacking some religions but not others. And that's speaking as an atheist Jew. :P
You got me wrong goat. First off I was raised catholic. Second I hate all extreme religion. Third I'm not a left winger. I walk the line actually. I'm all for capital punishment but I'm also all for abortion. (i think it's between the woman and her god) I'm for gay marriage (gays don't bother me) but I hate what Obama is doing to this country. I hate Obama for going to speak at a catholic school and asking the church to cover the various religious statues. I hate the church for not saying fuck you Obama.

Basically I hate politics. I hate polititions. I hate everyone.

The fucked up part is Im actually more right wing than anything but there are fundamental right wing beliefs that I don't agree with. First and foremost would be that a large portion of the republican party is Christian/born again. I don't like them. I don't like how they try to push their fuckin religion on people. Have you been saved??? From what you closed minded motherfucker?

I don't agree with romneys bullshit no matter what no abortion shit. For the most part I have to believe girls aren't running around getting pregnant and having abortions every other day so sometimes shit happens and an abortion may be needed. Now I don't think you should wait till your ready to give birth to get one but during the first three months is fine with me.

Another disagreement with the right is on gay marriage. The only reason they are against it is because of THEIR religious beliefs. Fuck them and their religion. Gays are people too and deserve to have the same rights as straight people.

I disagree with the left and Obama on the redistribution of wealth issue. If you work your ass off to become something and in the process you become rich that is the American way. You should not be penalized for fucking living the American dream.

Obama care. Go fuck yourself mr president.

Obviously some people need help and welfare is necessary. But it's not for all the lazy blacks and white trash to abuse. The fucked up part is the more kids they have the more money they get and food stamps. So they just keep popping out fucking kids with different daddies and it's not just the urban black population it's the white trash as well.

Now this next part is a question.

In pennsylvania you no longer need ID to vote. This was put in effect by democrats this year. Republicans fought it and lost. So what's to stop all the black dems from going to different spots to vote multiple times? If they don't need ID to vote how do you know who voted already? Wtf is going on here?

Yeah so idk what category I fall under and quite frankly I don't give a fuck cause bottom line is polititions don't give a fuck about me or mine and they don't care about you and yours. They care about themselves and their own goals and aspirations. So fuck them.


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Yeah, fuck Obeezy.
Rhymes with greazy, sleazy, bag of disease-y.

But fuck Moneybags, too... the GOP can fuck themselves right in half for how they treated Dr. Paul.

This narcotized country had a chance to start making some changes, but like the cowardly cattle they are, they chose the status quo... yeah, that's been going swimmingly, hasn't it?
Enjoy more of the same, and worse, you buncha fucking mindless, soulless automatons, we... well anybody that voted for the latest two-headed meat puppet in this tag-team farce, at any rate, deserve whatever comes next. Unfortunately, their myopic sheepishness
will effect us all.


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