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I thought this was supposed to be a serious discussion about politics, policy, international relations etc, sadly it has become apparent this is nothing more then a breeding ground for personal attacks and childish taunts, meanwhile those of us who are actually interested in politics can't have a reasonable discussion because you people are too busy insulting each other

when all is said and done, to hell with politics.

The banter is amusing and kills a little time when things are dull, but don't delude yourself, politics = one helluva golden flood of bullshit.

http://www.happyplace.com/19076/electio ... -for-obama

hah

Education =/= intelligence... the ability to parrot factoids and pass tests doesn't impress me.

How many of those so-called educated will be perpetually unemployed in the future, I wonder?

Occupy WS, anybody?

Wow. I totally understand what cry of the banshee is trying to say. Over the course of the last three pages. Obama being president is largely in part to white mans guilt. In my opinion. Look how white people get offended if you don't like obama. In another forum I had said something about how Obama isn't good for the country and right off the bat some idiot came at me with why cause he's black what are you racist?

Black or white Obama is doing things to this country that should not be done. Obama care anyone anyone?? Redistribution of wealth??? Wtf does that even mean. The pursuit of happiness is what this country was founded on and this comes in and says " oh so you worked your whole life and did rather well for yourself. You built yourself up from nothing and made something out of yourself and became rich in the process. Well, why don't you give some of that money to the under privileged. A little redistribution." fuck you Obama.

Fucked up part is I'm poor and may or may not benefit from redistribution but I still know its fucking wrong.

V's idea of a "balanced discussion about race" is saying how violent all those big city niggers are.

Snake, redistribution? Really? What, like taxes? Obama is quite right-wing when it comes to the economy. Working yourself up from nothing is not how people become rich. You've been fed a line about job creators and hard work and nonsense, but the reason there's a huge gap between rich and poor in America is because the deck is stacked to make it much, much easier for the rich to get richer, and if you're not already rich, you can't become rich.

conspiracy theorist much?

it's possible for ANY individual to become rich provided they have a groundbreaking idea, work hard and can sure up sufficient funds to get their project off the ground, the fact that in most instances those making money had money to begin with does not preclude those from low socio-economic areas from becoming rich, however these people are less likely to be capable of assembling the funds to get a large scale project which would make them vast quanties of cash up and running

as for redistribution of wealth, it works in theory, the lowest earning class of people move into middle class, but then the established middle class become low earning households and since you've already moved the wealth from the upper class to the lower class you no longer have any upper class people to move money from to assist the new low class making the exercise utterly futile

odds on myself being called nasty things for expressing opinions on US policy without actually living there?

Conspiracy theorist? No, basic economic thinking from somewhere other than the Chicago School.

How do you make money if you have none to begin with? Capital is the most important part of making money, if you have that you don't even need the idea or the hard work. Thanks to deregulations and a fevered belief in the infallibility of the free market, it's become very easy for people with capital to game the system (well, if the system is designed to work that way I'm not sure you can call it "gaming") and turn that money into more money.

This idea that everyone can be rich is not only untrue, but it legitimizes policies that increase the divide between rich and poor, make it harder for the poor to live, takes away their safety net and their benefits, and continues fucking up the economy by lining the pockets of the corporate fascists. Want to know how to solve the financial crisis? Enough with austerity, tax the rich, and invest in social spending. Want to know how to make sure it never happens again? Cut deregulation and make sure the banks are very strictly controlled. The countries that have been doing this are already well on their way to recovery.

while its true that its much easier to get rich if you have money to do so. it is also possible to start a company and get rich coming from nothing. that is the american way/dream that this country was built on.

as for the big city niggers comment. i come from philadelphia. and while violence is definitely a issue the bigger problem comes from laziness and sucking welfare dry. its not njust blacks but whites as well. they know that the more kids they have the more money they get from welfare. so they pop babies out once a year. its true. able bodied men and women that can work but dont want to reap the benifits from welfare. this is an issue.

in philly like 4 cops have been murdered in as many months. and they caught the people that did the murdering and they were all black. just saying.

now im really not racist. i dont care if your asian indian irish italian spanish mexican whatever, the fact is that when it comes to violent crime black have the market cornered. its a fact. so when these discussions come up i love to see how white people get all weirded out by these facts and try to make excuses for black folks when i reality they dont even like white people.

look at reverand al and jesse fuckin jackson. they get all outraged when blacks are mistreated or whatever the fuck. where are they when a white or black cop gets murdered by a black man?? they dont give a fuck. hypocrits fucking hypocrits. it drives me crazy how they always work a double standard and nothing they do makes sense.

i gotts to say that a few of my closest friends are black. <----see im not racist. they cant stand the way their own people act like they are indebted because of some shit that happened over 200 years ago. they think that because their ancestors were slaves they can just work the system and not work and get free money. the fucked up part is that is exactly what they do.

now back to obama. on the surface he seems like a great guy right?? well fact is he is a politician. none of them are great guys. they care about their own goals. they dont care about the people. why would they?? i simply feel that people like obama because they are scared not too because if they dont like obama or disagree with obama they may come off as racist. idk. and i really dont care. i couldnt vote. im a fucking guy walking the streets with like four felony convictions. so whatever.

The American dream is a lie, it always has been.

Welfare cheats are a minuscule issue. You know where the US deficit money went? Tax cuts for the rich. The money being "wasted" on "benefit frauds" is a fraction of a fraction of a tiny percentage of the financial problems in the US. Cracking down on them will solve absolutely nothing. Do you know what caused the financial crisis?

we have the same issues with violent crime here in Australia (more or less) here the aboriginal (or to be politically correct indigenous Australian) population is about five maybe ten percent of our total population, Australia's population is about twenty six million people so if we say ten percent (my maths sucks balls so this is a rough guess) that means either two hundred and sixty thousand or two point six million (again my maths is fucking atrocious) however they make up about seventy percent of our prison population and all convicted for extremely violent crime, I'm studying law so decided to head down to the courts whenever I get the chance and the first case I saw involved an abbo (slang term) who had been convicted of: home invasion, assault causing serious harm, theft, illegal possession of a firearm and attempted rape and was being sentenced, here's the messed up thing, in Australia we give a sentencing discout to abbos because they make up such a small number in our overall community so this person, a clear danger to the community and repeat offender who should have recieved a sentence of about fifteen years in prison only recieved four years with non-parole set at eighteen months WtF is with that?

we also have the same issue with people who accept welfare benefits, but since one of our political parties (who are sadly not in power at the moment) wins our next election that's certain to change, for a start the party will cut off access to welfare for anyone who has been on unemployment benefits for two years or more (exceptions possible but unlikely) they also want to get rid of a scheme we have where the government will provide funds for each child born after fuck I forget the year for the first two years of it's life, personally I think anyone on unemployment benefits should have to work in order to recieve them, but they should have to work jobs so awful it actually acts as encouragement for them to make something of themselves

Not everyone can be rich because people lack the drive to make it to the top of their respective industries. You make the strawman argument that everyone who is where they are in life has somehow fucked some poor mistreated , typical leftist bullshit i,e. But apart from taxing the people that give jobs to the broader working class will only send jobs overseas. Look at France and how they are losing their job creators, better yet look at how the welfare state all across Europe is falling apart because of your very same model of coddling people from cradle to grave. No one in the US apart from morons like Trapt want the European style of socialism, its failing there and the facets that've infiltrated into respective states like California are causing the state to fail much like Greece, France, Spain, and Portugal are in the shithole of the EU.

On this note, the biggest fuck up that Obama did was in "solving" the financial crisis, he signed off on a law, some say he even contributed to the bill, that basically maintained our current credit system as one in which all risk falls on the creditor. Those who receive the money are entirely responsible for the risk that they take. When people apply for a loan, it is their responsibility to be able to pay for what they are given. The creditor carries no risk in how much they can lend to folks and bear no fault if that person cannot afford it. I know, V, thinks that's the way it should be and hence why I'm not really all that into Obama these days (not simply because of V's possible approval, but because of what it implies). Shit like that wherein which he maintains the status quo in times of crisis and capitalist short-circuiting is illogical to me. The creditor bears no responsibility in being tight with their lending because they are always guaranteed their money back, by the debtor or by the government, no matter what they give out they will always make back with their interest. There is no incentive for them to securely loan to private individuals; they can be as frivolous and risky as they want because the govt as declared that they must stay afloat.

European socialism? Do not want. I want some fucking communism where the people who create wealth, the laborers, receive such wealth. This notion that rich folks are job creators is bullshit. The poor folks are wealth creators. Why do we fuck them in the ass? I don't want redistribution, I don't want social welfare coddling, what I want is people receiving wages equal to the monetary value which they create. A man or woman who puts their sweat into building a car deserves to receive equal to the effort they put in. Capitalists have no right to take anything off the top. When I get a new job, I work before they pay me. I loan out my time, my energy to create that company value prior to I am ever compensated. The rich don't create jobs; they take capital from those who created it and manipulate it in financial sectors to further their interests.

The world has something like that or variants of that approach, and unsurprisingly it failed. Since no group of people will ever have the same amount of drive to create or ever work hard or strive for a single goal of wealth accumulation, creation of wealth, or just being employed for that matter Leftists have to resort to some pitiful ideal of equality to compensate for the innate laziness of social scum that just flatout refuse to work. Coupled with that and the inherent fact that there are a lot of lazy shiftless morons with centralization, then Communism fails along with all forms of statism cooked up by all of the dumbass political theorists of statism.

Actually no, but I don't expect anything else from you, so whatever. Stop with the slanderous misrepresentation, how about I mention how you like to fuck other guys chicks and defend Polanski and Asange therefore, you are a rapist dirtbag with a penchant for underage girsl? Oh how about how you don't discriminate whether or not a broad is on the rag or not when giving her the bone?
See how easy it is to oversimplify an argument by accusations of nasty things?
I've never once used the word nigger to describe your average black person. And the violence in densely black poupalted areas were part of that past discussion, but there were amny other aspects to it, as well. Spreading lies and distortions is not very becoming of a mod, and you should be stripped of your dutys.

But thats how it always is though: no solid refutation to facts presented and valid points made? No problem, just shout "RACIST" instead. Works every time.

Looks like the new guys have their heads on straight.

Frig: nobody gets rich from starting at the bottom...




read a little bit of history. Jesus, their are tons of people that have done just that.
google self made men, for god sakes.

Calling Obama fiscally conservative is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard and really there is no point in trying to have a rational discussion with anybody that would make such a claim.

those tax breaks? They were the Bush tax breaks Zero extended under political presssure; they are about end and taxes are going up next year; not to mention Obamacare.
Fiscally conservative...

How the fuck would you know? You dont even live here, and have never spent any extended time as an adult here. It's ridiculous; it would be like me commenting on how things are in the UK with any authority.

More absolute bullshit.

The top ten percent of earners pay the vast vast majority of taxes... do I need to beak out charts and graphs?
The tax cuts were across the board, but don't let a good half truth go to waste, eh?

Taxing the rich wont solve the problem either... wanna take a wild guess what the problem is? I'll give you a hint: it's not taxes being too low.