Metal Reviews

The political systems world wide are for the most part broken and something must be done to remedy this, exactly how this can be achieved however I do not know

I'm pretty happy with Canada's political system. Except some glitches like Green's get 10% of the votes and .3% of the seats in the house of commons.

Didn't read most of the last few pages, ate some cake instead. WINNING. Will say that some of you are closer than you think you are.

Next week England (possibly Wales) are voting for new police commissioners - democratic input to what local police forces prioritise. Will be interesting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fWtJU6f ... ture=plcp#

Sink the Towelhead weegur of TYT calls states that have had their populaces sign for a petition on the Whitehouse to secede from the "union" "Unamerican" and "Stupid". Then compares the south to Civil war era south, more strawmen arguments, and then gloats about how forced government subsidies in these states make them "moochers". Someone take that greasy fat cameljockey out and shoot him.

And umm basic logic says secession equals sedition equals un-American. Not that hard of an argument, bro.

There is no constitutional mention of secession, only statists believe that there has to be a contiguous United States. The founding fathers believed it was the right of the people to abolish the government if it became oppressive, the states arguing and petitioning for secession are doing just that because Obonobo got his second term.

Nice try spinning it though with no evidence whatsoever might I add.

the mormon problem

Plus one. Final warning.

I guess if it stayed entirely non-violent then it wouldn't be an issue. Let 'em do it.

Yo, Israel. Could you like stop, dude? Seriously.

Largely unreported for some reason: 100 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza on November 11th.

Israeli retaliation: reported *everywhere*.

Me saying this has nothing to do with the fact I was born Jewish, because I could give a fuck about Israel or the Jewish people, but the world media seems crazily anti-semitic these days.

Anyway, here's a paper that actually bothered to report on the initial palestinan strike: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 6515409986

also:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20294335

Countless rockets are fired daily at Israel from Palestine. Thousands upon thousands. Yet very few hit their targets due to the Israeli missile defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome), next to no casualties result from them, they are a nuisance and that is. Israel's retaliation to fly's picking at them is to fucking level whole city blocks. They whine about rockets and then bask in the destruction they wrought on Palestine. The IDF's twitter account had an image posted of having "eliminated" a Hamas higher up as if he was some rabid war criminal. His son was killed two years ago in an Israeli bombing raid. I'd be doing the same thing he was. Palestine already lives vastly below acceptable living conditions, due to Israeli policies (look up their policies on drilling wells for water or I could for you), and yet Israel whines and throws a fit when people get pissed at them and cries of anti-semitism in a region of Muslims start up. The propaganda hits the air and people fall in line with them as Obama is doing now.

Edit: That australian news piece requires a subscription.

Some Israelis lost blood. Four palestinian civilians died because of what Hamas did. The problem, whether you support Hamas or not, is that Israeli treats every and all Palestinian as supporters of Hamas and hence has killed a shit ton of Palestinian civilians, which in turn pushes those neutral civilians to support Hamas. This warrants a ground invasion by Israel?

just nuke 'em, isn't that America's conflict resolution scheme?

Look, in theory I agree with you. It's a gross overreation. But it's still a reaction, which is my only point. Sometimes that gets lost in the reports.



Gross overreaction or not, if you have the army to do so, you retaliate against that. If someone had the balls to fire 100 rockets into the USA, I dare say your government would have a similar reaction.

Hmmmm Palestine gets framed as a terrorist state quite a bit over here. Luckily, they declared war over Twitter and are now live blogging all of their attacks and so at least their killing of two little girls earlier today was transparent.

www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/1 ... itter.html

I have sympathy for the Palestinan cause. Much more so than most of the other brainwashed, zionist jews I went to school with. I understand that there are no winners in war, shit is fucked. I've never been to Gaza, and I'm sure life there is simply awful and I don't wish it on anybody. But I have been to Israel, so I'll say this.

With regards to your comment before of "flys picking at Israel" I'll say this. My grandparents - my dad's parents - live in Israel. They live in Kibbutz Mefalsim, which is a couple of kilometres outside Gaza. I've been to visit them a few times. Hearing rockets constantly explode nearby is a pretty terrfying thing. When I was 18, I was there and a rocket landed inside the Kibbutz. No one was killed or even injured, but the windows of practically every house in the Kibbutz exploded, and the sound was one of the scariest things I've ever experienced. As I said, no one was injured, so yeah, you could say that's a fly picking at Israel. The reality though, is the people who live on that Kibbutz, some of whom have been there for 3 generations, are living in fear. Just because that rocket didn't hurt anybody, they don't know if the next one will kill their son, brother, uncle, etc. I've felt that fear, it was palpable.

If you have a nation living in fear, any government worth it's salt is going to try to do something to make its citizens feel safer. The result is fucked up, there's no doubt about that, and I would never argue the contrary. But as I said before, I'm quite sure my government and your government would do the same thing.

True, true. My rhetoric may have gotten away from me. And I even feel bad for those Israeli civilians who have to live through this struggle albeit in better circumstances than Palestinian civilians, but within a war nonetheless. The problem is that the Israeli govt deserves every bit of resistance put against them in how they have dealt with the situation and responded to difference. The IDF are as cold and ruthless as mercenaries and has no qualms about violating conventions of war. The Israeli govt has done everything in its power to keep the antagonism alive simply waiting the moment in which they can justify a final sweep of genocide against the Palestinians. But yeah, I bear no ill will to anyone caught in the crossfire.

having not experienced that fear first hand I can't imput much here but having heard about the experiences of the members of Salem and Orphaned Land (both bands formed in Jerusalem) every Israeli citizen lives in fear, intervention by the Allied Forces is the only reasonable solution, not in a military invasion but just a presence in the region to hopefully calm the situation down and bring peace between Israel and Palestine

Yeah, that's not how it operates though. I wish it was.