Metal Reviews

I like the nuke idea. But kicking out the AIPAC owned politicians, ending Israeli aid, and pulling all troops out from the region would be one of the only ways to end this.

Too bad it will absolutely never happen.

NEW TOPIC: Assisted suicide. My opinion is generally "for", but I think this raises an interesting point:



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Both Israel and Hamas are dicks for continuing this. A plague on both their houses. Have family over there at the moment so am especially worried.

Generally pro-assisted suicide too. Philosophical questions, like re abortion, do worry me but I'd rather it was left up to the person who it affects than an outsider to decide - no justice or fairness in current system, in Britain at least.

BBC is reporting Israeli civilian deaths, that Iron Dome thing isn't flawless

As a Scottish Nationalist who believes in the right of national self-determination, if the states who want to secede have popular opinion on their side then they have every right to break away and form their own nation.

it's different in Scotland where the English took over by force and the nation should always have been truly independant of England as opposed to the US where all states have co-existed relatively peacefully (with the exception of that nasty Civil War) I doubt it's really an option for these states to segregate themselves from the US, they're just angry Obama is still president but will quickly get over it, three quarters of Australia aren't happy with our federal government but we aren't trying to become independant nation-states, bloody yanks don't like something so decide they don't want to be part of their country anymore

As long as it drives up the price of oil and my oil stocks, I'm ok with fighting in the middle east.

http://arabia.msn.com/news/middle-east/607138/hamas-rocket-kills-three-in-israel-wider-war-looms/

Some solid Israeli logic: "Expecting days or more of fighting, Israel warned Hamas that all its men were in its sights and dropped leaflets in Gaza telling residents to keep their distance from militants and Hamas facilities." All men are targets, avoid targets. Sorry, if you're a dude or have an family whatsoever. Can anyone explain to me how Israel releasing their iron grip around Palestine wouldn't end the conflict?

Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. The IDF makes Dick Cheney look like a wooly liberal (which is what Israelis want, the frontier attitude is pretty ingrained).

And individual IDF soldiers make Abu Ghraib look like tickling. I honestly would much rather prefer to watch bombing raids than to imagine the raping and pillaging that IDF soldiers would do.

Do you have any sources for that? Can't find anything that suggests the IDF are more likely to rape anyone than the US or British armies, say...

Air raid sirens in Tel Aviv...

Raping more figuratively than like actually raping women a la Hussein's rape rooms. The website, http://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/, has some first-hand accounts that basically paint Israeli military practices as completely untethered from an actual agenda which encourages Palestinian antagonism towards Israel. Countless mentions of IDF guys being loose cannons. It's a bit piecemeal and I wouldn't necessarily say that it isn't anything that our troops do, but it paints a rather heinous picture. Maybe that's simply what all war is like.

http://couchtripper.com/rapedbysoldiers/?tag=idf (A collection of submissions on rape and the military, with the two relevant IDF posts)

http://972mag.com/idf-colonel-rabbi-imp ... war/39535/ (A very awkward reference insofar as it's dated and more religious doctrine than actual military policy, but it points to an awkward ideology underlying the whole regime. I remember this causing a big deal earlier in the year, despite the interview being years old)

The IDF actually has relatively low reports of rape, but it is also hard to rely on such a statistic insofar as do they actually care if their troops do rape Palestinian women, that is, do the women actually have an outlet to report such incidents and how likely are Arab women to report rape? Not likely, I don't think.

So no actual evidence, then? I'm very anti-war, and all war is terrible, but I'm really not convinced that Israelis are worse than anyone else. I mean, there's reports of Hamas behaviour towards their own people that is just as bad: climate of fear, reprisals, executions etc. I don't really trust either side to tell the full truth...

it seems the conflict in the region won't end unless either Israel or Palistine are wiped off the face of the earth and that is clearly Israel's objective, they will eradicate every living thing in Palistine and the nation of Israel will then be put on trial as war criminals in a powerless court

+1. Everything you've said, trapt, is pure conjecture.

As for the lastest news....I'm really, really worried guys. Hamas has fired Iranian-made long distance rockets into Tel Aviv. Warning sirens have sounded there for the first time in 20 years. Normally Tel Aviv is considered the safe place to be in Israel. The reason I'm worried is this:

I've been to Israel many times, I have Israeli relatives, and many of the people I know here in Melbourne are Israeli. If I can tell you one thing, it's that the Israeli people will not tolerate their most populace city being fired on. They are going to react to this with such force that it's going to make everything else that's happened in the last 2 decades look like child's play. I won't be surprised if they just storm Gaza and kill everything that moves. This is not going to end well. I strongly fear that we are soon about to experience a very tragic period of human history.

Israel will be responsible for the start of World War III

It's really not as simple as that. It takes two to tango.

yes but Israel's huge over-reaction, going in and exterminating any palistinians they find like vermin will bring in the nations around them, then the allied forces will have to engage the threat

I don't like what's going on over there and both sides are in the wrong but Israel are not the "innocent victim" here they continue poking the hornet's nest with these secret assassinations and no attempt to reach a peaceful resolution then wonder why they get stung

There's no innocent victim in this. You think Hamas wants a peaceful resolution? It's true Netanyahu has just given a speech saying he's going to defend his people at any cost, but Haniyeh just gave practically the exact same fucking speech over in Gaza.

It's true, if this escalates the way it seems like it's heading towards, the palestinans will be the big losers, because Israel has spent 60 years building one of the most powerful armies in the world. But Hamas is no closer to wanting a peaceful resolution to this than Israel is. Painting one or the other as the bad guy is looking at something in black and white, when the reality is that it's a vastly complex and deeply hateful conflict that has been brewing for generations.

it seems Israel are trying to portray themselves as a victim, to justify their actions by saying "we were attacked and are just defending ourselves" when in truth each side is equally blameworthy, seriously Israel just say it's a revenge attack, we know it's a revenge attack, it's like the japanese and whaling, we all know they're eating the whales so stop fucking lyring and saying "no it's just research"

yeah I steal jokes from Wil Anderson so what lol?