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Fatah is separate from Hamas. And I never claimed that Hamas is a saint. They have fucked up consistently throughout history. Violence however, in their position, serves a purpose insofar as they are colonized. And I completely agree with the fact that the dude shouldn't have entered into peace talks when it is being catered by the US', at that time, puppet-state under Mubarak.

The articles that I posted undermine the prevalent discourse circulating around this event in Western media. With one of the sources being the New York Times. Common Dreams might be a leftist new source, but Mondoweiss is a Jewish news source on US policy in the Middle East. It's not like I'm presenting one-sided propaganda. They are articles that are seeking to balance out the seemingly fabricated narrative.

http://www.therightperspective.org/2012 ... r-muslims/

Is this true? I know Karma and a few others here are Belgian.

Islam is a virus of the mind.

So are all religions.

+1

Yup. Thing is, we've had a socialist/liberal or socialist/green coalition in government since the nineties, and the christian democrats in those governments are either absent or too willing to compromise in order to share in power with the socialists. So no political party in Belgium still defends christian tradition. Which most of you atheists (or worse) probably are happy for, but I myself am not.

This bootlicking of muslim immigrants by the left-wing has been going on for years, in other words. Crosses were banned from public buildings such as classrooms and train stations due to being too offensive to non-christians, but female muslim workers in those public buildings are allowed to wear niqabs. The centuries-old tradition of Saint-Nicholas and his helper 'Black Pete' (black from climbing down chimneys, not from being a negro) who in our country distributes toys to children as Santa does in the States etc. was modified not to include Black Pete anymore, as it might offend negro sensitivities.

And now this. Christmas is further debased into a 'winter fun' feast by the socialist mayor of Brussels, in order both to include the muslim immigrants into the merrymaking (which they won't, as they'll still keep to themselves unless they're out to cause trouble) and to further secularise and vulgarise every last bit of christian tradition that the autochthonic inhabitants of this sorry excuse for a country still cling to.

^ But remember its a Conspiracy theory and you're a racist if you bring up Muslim encroachment of White Europe!!

Nah, not really. These Belgian socialists are created the open border policy in order to attract a new electorate. Typical leftist hypocrisy, to rage against christian traditions while giving muslims the means to practice their goofy religion in public.

Isn't it as much pagan tradition as Christian?

I need to research some of dat Christianity, spending Christmas at the girlfriend's and so have to actually buy presents/cards! So Christianity is making dangerous inroads on my personal culture, and I don't like it...

More seriously, I don't like the state promoting any sort of religion. You want a christmas tree/magen david/crescent on the top of a building, you buy that building and you pay for it yourself. It's been getting all Christmassy over here since the end of bloody October, ffs.

It's not as if we haven't been doing it for two thousand years, bro

Christmas is pagan as much as christian, obviously, but then again this western type of Christianity has been immensely influenced by Germanic paganism since the fourth-fifth century anyway. To abolish christian traditions, to me, is to abolish traditions that are many centuries older than christianity.

you shouldn't make assumptions such as that (by the way Satanists are no worse then Atheists in the grand scheme of things as both groups put their interests and enjoyment before the supposed evils as forced upon us by organised religions such as Christianity)

just because we (Atheists) do not believe in a God doesn't mean we are happy to see the traditions of any religion stamped outin favour of another. I personally dislike many atheists I have encountered for their ignorance in much the same way that I dislike most people of faith for theirs, atheists who refuse to acknowledge that certain tenets of faith are actually worthwhile and should be strived towards, kindness to your fellow man for example are in my opinion profoundly stupid and should not call themselves atheists at all. however the people of faith who try to convert you in the typical fashion of "hello are you a ...? don't you know ...? repent your wicked ways vile sinner or suffer for all eternity" it's bogus, hell is no threat to those who don't believe in it so either offer some sort of evidence to support your claim or don't try to convert people it's that simple.

however I digress

seems the Israel-Palestine situation is pitting one man's opinion supported by pro-Palestine propaganda against the opinions of several on here supported by Israelite sympathy or propaganda, personally I see both sides as being in the wrong and would prefer a non-violent solution to this issue however as that is unlikely I want both sides to at the very least stop firing missiles at each other, stop putting innocent civilians in harm's way please no innocent party should have their blood spilled in a pointless conficlt over something as insignificant as religion (which I believe to be the driving force behind this particular conflict)

No one here really believes in Satanism.



If you think I'm driven by sympathy for Israel, you haven't been reading my posts properly. I've been quite clear in saying I think both sides are completely morally bankrupt. I'm only arguing with trapt because he seems to believe there's a good guy in this situation, which I don't believe is the case. As a matter of fact, as I argue the Israeli cause with trapt, I've been on facebook arguing the Palestinan cause with some zionist Jewish friends of mine (as a matter of fact, some of Trapt's statistics were quite useful there, hehe).



Yes, this exactly. This has been my only point all along.

It's well known or at least should be that I don't believe in anything. I do agree that government should not promote religion but I feel they shouldn't fuck with it either. When Obama went to that catholic school to speak and had them cover all the religious statues and shit I knew this country is going down the drain. I've said it before but the church should of told him to go fuck himself and he never should I spoke at a catholic school if he didn't want to see Jesus on the cross. It's a sign of things to come in my opinion.

If it "offends" them, they should simply leave. In fact they should leave regardless, just as long as they don't come here.

Hmm. I wouldn't want my point framed reductively to the fact that I think the Palestinians are the good guys. Maybe, but that phrasing isn't right. It's the fact that the Palestinians have a moral and political ground as colonized that justifies whatever extremes that they resort to. While Israel as a military powerhouse and colonizing force has no ground from which any aggression or extremes that they may resort to can be deemed legitimate. When your back is against the wall, you do what you have to in order to survive. But when you shake the beehive and get in somebody's face, as I would compare Israel's illegal settlements and encroachment on the borders and the blockading of supplies to, then you have no right to get pissed when somebody pushes you back. My simple point. I'm done but I wanted to clarify my position.

That moment in which reasoned arguing just shifts into blatant racism...

Attacking civilians is never justified. Never ever ever.

Gotta love it.
What would you marxists do without your precious "-ism's", eh, komrade?
Take your failure of an ideology and shove it.

First, muslim isn't a race, second the fact that you are opposed to it is a sure sign that it is right. You are consistently wrong on just about everything, that must suck.

yeah

banning people from wearing crosses in public buildings is pretty messed up. TURN BACK TO THE LIGHT, BELGIUM.

Maybe. I'm not wholly convinced. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -poll.html

I don't love surveys, and the questions seem awkward, but yeah I think a lot of civilians are totally complicit with the system of Israel as much as a lot of Southern whites were complicit with slavery despite not owning slaves and how a lot of South Africans were complicit with apartheid even if they didn't write the laws.

@V: Thanks, guy. I'll keep that in mind. So you're totally cool with Arabs that aren't muslims? That must be the case and I just didn't realize it.

Same old tactics. Yes, that argument automatically means "it's just because they are brown".
Kind of like if one were to draw the conclusion that, as you are for LGBT, march alongside them and so on (I assume you've heard of Larry Binkin), you must support NAMBLA.
Strawman, with a little bit of stereotyping thrown in for good measure.

I hate to beat a dead horse, but don't they teach critical thinking in college anymore, or are you just basically a trained parrot?

Now whether or not European and European-based countries should open there borders to third world immigrants is a whole other argument.