The General Politics Thread

traptunderice · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:12 am

It's all that antisemitism clouding my view.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:36 am

What the hell do you think their intentions are when lobbing bombs indiscriminately into civilian areas? Do you think that when they explode, a bouquet of flowers pops out? Well, maybe they didn't explode, not for lack of intent, but for ineptitude.

What if that school had been populated with little kids and that particular bomb actually worked?

The moment the Palis started bombing civilian areas, they lost any moral high ground they may have had in this fight.
Hamas point blank snubbed any talk of a cease fire.

So tell me again how they are righteous, as I don't see it.

Israel is guilty as hell, too, but damn son, there is no high ground here, just a mutual blood-hatred that will burn until one side or the other is wiped out.

traptunderice · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:23 am

cry of the banshee wrote:

Hamas point blank snubbed any talk of a cease fire.

Because they had agreed to a ceasefire and laid down all the conditions immediately prior to this debacle. Israel's response: eliminating the guy who worked on putting the ceasefire together. The Palestinians can't just act like that was no big deal. Six days later, 130 dead and 800 injured. Why would Israel want a cease fire now? They didn't want one before they decided to kill all those people, injure all those folks and level countless buildings.

cry of the banshee · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:37 am

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Hamas point blank snubbed any talk of a cease fire.

Because they had agreed to a ceasefire and laid down all the conditions immediately prior to this debacle. Israel's response: eliminating the guy who worked on putting the ceasefire together. The Palestinians can't just act like that was no big deal. Six days later, 130 dead and 800 injured. Why would Israel want a cease fire now? They didn't want one before they decided to kill all those people, injure all those folks and level countless buildings.

That news article is dated today...

Anyway, I don't really want to get drawn into this too much. Don't have a dog in this fight, but I just can't see how anybody can claim one side or the other is righteous.

Fuck the both of them, they can suck a fat one for all I care.

Carry on...

noodles · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:56 am

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContr ... ?id=292466

yikes

Quote:

THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas.

reverse trapt logic

traptunderice · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:52 am

noodles wrote:

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=292466

yikes

Quote:

THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas.

reverse trapt logic

Yeah. I avoided posting that article. Sharon's son is an asshat. I feel like it was obvious baiting, but he was probably serious.

Cú Chulainn · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:15 am

traptunderice wrote:

cry of the banshee wrote:

Quote:

GAZA CITY — The top leader of Hamas dared Israel on Monday to launch a ground invasion of Gaza and dismissed diplomatic efforts to broker a cease-fire in the six-day-old conflict, as the Israeli military conducted a new wave of deadly airstrikes on the besieged Palestinian enclave, including a second hit on a 15-story building that houses media outlets. A volley of rockets fired from Gaza into southern Israel included one that hit a vacant school

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/20/world ... ss&emc=rss

Not a big fan of Israel, but as has been mentioned numerous times: there ain't no good guys here.

I don't know. I'm reading this and I'm not getting how Palestine is evil out of this. The rocket that hit the school, just crashed through the ceiling. I read it as if it didn't explode. One rocket crashed into a house. 135 were shot. 42 intercepted. "Most of the others landed in open areas." The ones who are hitting civilians are the ones with the most advanced technologies in the world.

Come on, don't be naive. You know as well as I do that Hamas benefits from the status quo by having a platform for its ideology to use as a power grab. If diplomacy isn't happening, it's not because Israelis and Palestinians don't want it, it's because the IDF and Hamas don't.

Goat · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:50 am

I feel like I should be saying something like 'so Al-Qaida attacking the US is fine?' to Trapt, but I'm not sure the forum could withstand it. Really don't understand how violence against civilians is acceptable, whoever is doing it, whoever they voted for, whatever they say in polls.

RelentlessOblivion · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:08 am

attacks on innocent civilians are never justified, if they aren't military targets they should be left alone, writing off civilian casualties as collateral damage whilst claiming any israeli civilian casulties are justified as Trapt appears to be doing is rediculous and shows how ignorant he really is, the guy just soaks up any Palistinian propaganda he sees and takes it as fact then refuses to acknowledge that Palistine has also done horrible things to Israel in the past

Tehom · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:12 am

It doesn't help that insurgents use innocents as human shields during combat, I've heard that on more than one occasion an insurgent will hide behind that ghost outfit that the women wear for cover. LOL @ you goofballs for thinking those desert savages fight fair.

Thrashtildeth · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:31 am

Not to mention this, which I already posted a few pages ago (but it seems more topical now):

From http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/terr ... index.html

Quote:

On March 16, 2004, Palestinian terrorists associated with Yasser Arafats Fatah group tricked a 12-year-old boy into carrying a large bomb in his school bag into a checkpoint near Nablus. Abdullah Quran's life was saved only because a cell phone rigged to detonate the 13-pound bomb failed to set off the explosive at the checkpoint as it had been designed to do.

The New York Times on March 24, 2004 reported that again a gullible teenager was tricked into carrying an 18-pound bomb vest to an Israeli checkpoint. A 16-year-old Palestinian boy, with the mind of a 12-year old according to his brother, had a suicide bomb vest strapped to his body when he was stopped at a checkpoint. The Israeli soldiers used a robot to provide the boy with some scissors to remove the vest

Yes, I know Fatah is not Hamas, but they were still Palestinians.

RelentlessOblivion · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:44 am

Trapt will continue denying these sorts of actions are wrong, he has made no secret of his stance, that the people in Israel are scum and Palestine is the "good guy" who can do no wrong regardless of the number of innocents caught in the crossfire, he is beyond being reached, he is irrational to a degree I have never before encountered

Thrashtildeth · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:47 am

He's entitled to his opinion. I'm not really expecting him to be convinced, that's not the point of this for me. I just like to express my opinion too.

RelentlessOblivion · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:55 am

yeah I get that, hey we could easily hijack this thread and cimplain about how fucking retarded the labor-green alliance government is lol fucking carbon tax

Thrashtildeth · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:01 pm

RelentlessOblivion wrote:

yeah I get that, hey we could easily hijack this thread and cimplain about how fucking retarded the labor-green alliance government is lol fucking carbon tax

Haha, if there's one thing I don't give a fuck about at the moment, it's Aussie politics! To quote South Park, we have a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich, and both parties can fuck off and die for all I care!

RelentlessOblivion · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:10 pm

just sit back and watch civilisation crumble with beer in hand seems to be s pretty solid plan in my books

Karmakosmonaut · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:25 pm

RelentlessOblivion wrote:

he is irrational to a degree I have never before encountered

So you're getting to know the boys. Good.

As far as my opinion of the whole situation goes, I'm sharing V's 'hands-off approach'. Still, Israel should get the fuck off everything they annexed beyond its original borders. I read someone write "at least what Israel is doing is lawful" some pages back, which sure did crack me up.

Thrashtildeth · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:45 pm

Karmakosmonaut wrote:

RelentlessOblivion wrote:

he is irrational to a degree I have never before encountered

So you're getting to know the boys. Good.

As far as my opinion of the whole situation goes, I'm sharing V's 'hands-off approach'. Still, Israel should get the fuck off everything they annexed beyond its original borders. I read someone write "at least what Israel is doing is lawful" some pages back, which sure did crack me up.

You misread. I said when they created the state of Israel, they took the land that was formerly Palestine lawfully.

I never said their incursion into Gaza was lawful, nor would I.

RelentlessOblivion · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:06 pm

truth be told placing a nation of the Jewish faith in the middle of a region inhabited by those of the variants of Islam may not have been the brightest of ideas and their encroachment into Gaza was both illegal and unjustifiable however Palestine has also directed actions at Israel that are just as illegal and unjustified so yeah both sides are evil fuckers and I pity the poor civilians who just want to see peace in the region so they can get on with their lives, those will be the people who lose ultimately and that is a travesty

Karmakosmonaut · **Posted:** Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:52 pm

'Sides'? I think that's the biggest problem with this whole discussion: the oversimplification of the conflict into a manicheism of Israel/Palestine, right/wrong, west/east, left/right, army/civvies etc.

Edit: and sorry for misquoting you, trashtildeth.

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