Metal Reviews

I fucked up the Coke reference. It's not the taste, it's the caffeine that it lacks. http://www.egs.edu/faculty/slavoj-zizek ... d-the-act/

The dildo bit, not in its original context of the book Welcome to the Desert of the Real:http://www.lacan.com/zizek-seize.htm

The line between reality and escapist fantasies collapses rather quickly. Video games are now military simulations. You've heard the truth that seems almost like a conspiracy theory in how the army is leeching onto the proliferation of games like Modern Warfare and co. Porn is entering into the bedrooms. Dudes do act as if sexual acts in pornography are what people just naturally do in the bedroom. There was a brilliant article a year back about a girl describing how dudes she brings home want to cum on her face for no real reason. It's fucking stupid. The practices of pornography that are disconnected from reality are becoming many males definition of reality as pornography in its internet proliferated form becomes normalized.

You say it is not the thing itself, but if we can't judge something for the repercussions that it has then what could we ever judge it for. Drugs are fucking awesome; heroin makes you really feel great. It's not heroin's fault that you become addicted and your body stops producing serotonin and you become a worthless slob because heroin in itself makes you feel great and who are you or I to interfere between someone and what makes them feel great?

I'm refraining from the laborers of said films entering into the act voluntarily. It's obv a coercive industry and it literally breaks women's bodies and they are reduced to having to enter into more and more violent acts as the extreme becomes all that their body can pull off and still be deemed attractive. I was going to bite my tongue but fuck it. The bitches just have to keep taking bigger and bigger dicks as their body is literally ripped apart. They start with vaginal sex, then they have to move to anal, next they're vomiting, then they're being choked, because if they had any other fucking alternative they would be doing it. And some might love the job, but those aren't the ones being pampered with million dollar careers or marrying rock stars not the ones who are falling to the wayside, having to disavow the damage they do to their own body.

They're being paid. I suppose it's similar to stuntmen, which I'd say is more dangerous work, but does its existence really say so much about society?

Pornography was designed to be based on fantasy and perversion and nothing more. It wasn't designed to be real nor does it claim to be real. If anyone thinks that porn is based on real life lovemaking than they need to get their perverted mind a break.

My bad. Everyone else, guys, I just learned, I don't know if you know this, but slavery was cool, because the slaves had food and shelter.

And it's not like stuntmen, stuntmen take precautions to avoid the actual damage of a film. Stuntmens roles are to stand-in for an actor, to be trained in avoiding danger while performing daring feats in a vaccuum. That would be like if pornstars were trained to avoid taking a dick while making it look like you are taking a dick by bending your ass a certain way or putting your hand back there.

Being a pornstar is more like being a boxer. Yeah, you're going to be a vegetable after you're done, your brain is concussed multiple times a night, but you're going to have bling around your neck. Pornstars are going to be able to pay off their college loans, but they are going to have to wear a diaper for the rest of their lives lest they fart and shit themselves.

And pornography's existence says nothing about the state of society. It's normalization and dissemination throughout society means that it influences society in a particular way. That might or might not be just fucking stupid.

Porn stars are slaves? Hm. Replace boxers with stuntmen, then, point still holds. They're getting paid, it's their choice when all is said & done.

I'm speaking from personal experience here: if you are in a close, loving relationship then you will eventually begin to act out all manner of sexual fantasies, including some which were inspired by watching porn.

It's true, you can't expect to meet a girl at a bar, take her home and then fuck her up the ass before cumming on her face, because there is no sexual rapport yet, and if you even mention it she will likely think you're a perverted freak. But once two lovers are experienced with each other, and comfortable with each other, there's no reason why real sex can't be like porn. If it makes one lover happy, in a healthy relationship the other will want to oblige. It works both ways, of course. Lovers aim to please each other, after all.

Skip down to halfway in this page of the article, the paragraph break, or just read the whole thing: http://nymag.com/news/features/70976/index1.html

Tons of other arguments such as that one.

By all means, when you have been with someone for a while, you're going to try those things just to see how they go. That's cool whatever, the problem that articles by women are describing is how men expect that stuff the first night. And some women are anticipating men to want those kind of things and so they are pushing it and then it weirds dudes out when they do ask for anal and cum on their neck and spit in their eye or something.

It's all based on individual personality. If a couple watches porn than it's normal if some fucking prick watches porn as than goes and rapes women because of it than it becomes an issue and than society reflects it based on that.

And going to what Goat was saying about video games same thing, You can have a normal person play CoD and not affect him but than get someone with mental issues play it than simulate it in real life than once again it becomes an issue and yet again society reflects on it.

Wage slavery, bro. The limited number of jobs and the necessary amount of income one needs in order to stay afloat leads some people to have no other option then to work certain jobs. This is what I got into it with Frig about on strippers. Capitalism's freedoms are real freedoms to enter into mind-numbing, body-destroying, exploitative jobs. But it's always the worker's choice at the end of the day, because no one is holding a gun to his head or raising a whip... But a person needs a roof and kids gotta fucking eat and if that isn't a round in the chamber then you're out of touch with the world.

We're all slaves of something or another. It's just we associate slavery with blacks being whipped around during the Civil War era and it goes beyond that. It's such a subjective term anyway.

Hmmm... I wouldn't go as far as using terms like "slavery", but it is definitely an exploitative industry.

How many of those girls are runaways that left abusive households, I wonder? Or are strung out and will do anything for a fix? Or have such low self-esteem they are willing to do anything for some fom of acceptance?
To be sure, some of them are probably merely sluts, but I'd be willing to bet not many girls dream of being a set of holes to be plugged and come upon for the amusement of strangers.

I think it's a sick industry, run by amoral dirtbags whose only love is that of money.
But that's me, feel free to disagree.

Ugh at this entire viewpoint. But if those children are being fed and housed, or that girl is being put through college, and she knows what she's doing and is fine with it, then at the end of the day I am too.

There were prostitutes under communism... You can rearrange society however you please, some things will never change. And I'd rather have this all legal and in the open than banned and in a black market. Same reason abortion was legalised... the lesser evil.

Weren't we discussing loan sharks in the other thread and being fine with that? Every business is amoral. Chasing money is the point - you want a charity, start one.

You're assuming she is fine with it. As V said, there are so many extraneous circumstances that I think lead to a woman entering into prostitution, doing porn, being a stripper, that it isn't this pristine image of a worker entering into the market and shaking hands with a capitalist. I think you need the category distinction between "fine with it" and "accepting it". A person who works in a coal mine all their life isn't fine with the fact that they inhale coal dust ten hours of the day or are always at risk of being blown up or caught in a cave-in, but they do accept the fact that it is their lot in life. Just because a worker accepts a paycheck for their job doesn't mean they like their job.

I don't recall discussing loan sharks.

If you are suggesting that banksters are amoral dirtbags, you wont find any disagreement here.

Still, it's not quite the same thing as exploiting young girls that are on the streets or have been abused or whatever. It's a matter of degree, I suppose, one of those many shades of grey that make life so interesting.

It's not a shade of grey. It's repulsive. Fucking loathsome.

What? paying back a loan? Or the "sex biz"?

I was referring to the loan bit. Pornographers are worms.

She's taking the money for it, at the end of the day. Opportunities exist - if they don't, that's a separate issue. Sex workers would probably take issue with your view of it - it does assume being paid for sex is degrading, which they wouldn't share. Job satisfaction is again, another issue.



Loan companies, then, in thisthread.

Let's be clear, I am drawing a distinction between sex slavery and those with a choice.