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A matter of opinion is it not?

I read somewhere that the "white slave trade" is huge in the former USSR nations.
It's predatory, is what it is.

I'll ride my white male privilege to the bank and say it is degrading. I don't give no fucks. If a worker has to actively tell themselves that it isn't degrading then so be it. I'm dyed through and through a bleeding heart romantic. Sex still means something to me and reducing it to an exchange relation is awful.

Kidnapping women and selling them into prostitution is evil, yes. I was never referring to that, but women in the mainstream porn business.



I'd agree with you personally, on the romantic part - sex is special, and rightly so. Yet it's not my place to tell others what their sex lives should be like. Think this ultimately just comes down to our differing viewpoints...

Than this goes back to what I told Trapt that isn't this all a matter of opinion?

Well yes, the whole thread is. ;) But I think a few people want their view to be society's view, and don't like that it isn't...

And there lies the problem these days. Heaven forbid if something doesn't align with your own opinion,idealism,etc. Sure you can state it and no one said you can't but the end of the day it's all a matter of opinion and nothing more.

Who is doing that?
Nobody has made any claim to that effect whatsoever, unless I missed it somehow.

This is what I have to be out of every student who enters an Ethics 101 course. There are such things as right or wrong. If it was all opinions, then we would have no moral ground to stand between a boy-loving pederast and the playground but we do. Because we know that there are some things that are, for lack of a better word, evil. We're not debating opinions. We're debating where we draw that line.

I didn't mean it negatively. From what you were saying about western society a few pages back it seems a fair assumption to make. I know I'd love it if some of my views were mainstream...

If anyone was going to call me out for being a commie, it would be this guy. This discussion is solely descriptive, not prescriptive.

Fair enough, my mistake then. Just seems sometimes solutions are less easy than problems...

Than it comes down to what the definition of evil is? Because this isn't all black and white here. There are other shades.

Some say watching violent movies is evil,some say smoking pot is evil,some say listening to black metal is evil. Not all but some.

I mean we can all agree that the holocaust was evil but once again different shades.

So is it really about good and evil or is it about opinion?

It's part of the price of a somewhat free society.

Yep, that's the bottom line...

Yeah, it is. The categorical imperative. I act and expect others to act in such a way that their actions could be universalized. I do not think that I or any others should be subject to a job that will destroy your body before you turn 30. I do not think think that I or any others should be coerced into sucking a cock until they throw up for money. If that person enjoys throwing up then let 'em at it, but they shouldn't be put in a situation where they should have to do it against their wishes in order to receive a paycheck that they need. Sexual relations that I or anyone else partakes in should be for the sake of the act itself and not a monetary. Porn might be actually interesting to watch if people were having honest fun while they did it.

Wow. That was cute how you guys packed up that ideological moment nice and neatly like that. You had all the conflict one person could handle and the status quo has been restored in under two hours.

I actually agree with you on all points on this topic. So what do you suggest, then? Abolish the "sex biz"? That will never happen.
Go after the pornographers themselves?

There's no need for conflict here, nobody's acting like a douchenozzle, so why should there be?

Funnily enough, porn might be getting outsourced soon after this: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... w-law.html

I don't think you can abolish the sex biz and in some ways what comes out of the sex biz is kinda awesome, i.e., I kinda enjoy going to the Hustler store. And it's not about the films or videos, but the people who watch them. Dare I say that I think a lot of the problem with pornography is how people perceive reality and I think that is intimately tied to the commodity form. Sex becomes a means to an end, an exchange relation, rather than an act that is enjoyed in the process. Sex becomes all about the money shot. I'm not saying people don't enjoy sex while they're doing it, but how people perceive others' bodies is intimately tied to how they perceive commodities. Sue me, I'm a broken record, but I only think that capitalism can be as unchallengeable it is if it can pervade its process throughout civil society. Sorry.

Regarding the last sentence, well there is some truth in that. I would go a bit further and apply that criteria to any form of "democracy".
In fact, I read somewhere that the founding fathers had stated that this form of government will only work with a moral, civil society.

Sadly, the same applies to any political system, even Marxism, as you well know any theory is only as good as the persons (government) that is holding the reins.

The wild card will always be the human factor.
The role of governance generally attracts exactly the type of person that is least suited to govern justly. It's a Catch-22.