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Wow. That was cute how you guys packed up that ideological moment nice and neatly like that. You had all the conflict one person could handle and the status quo has been restored in under two hours.


Whoa, Mr Descriptive-Not-Prescriptive, please tell us more about how we only experience conflict via internet forums at your guiding hands! I apologise for not agreeing that porn = sin, that people who indulge in it = wage slaves, and that society = a broken mutation, happy now?


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I don't think you can abolish the sex biz and in some ways what comes out of the sex biz is kinda awesome, i.e., I kinda enjoy going to the Hustler store


Wait a minute how can you be anti pornography and still go to a porno store and enjoy going there?

That's like saying I hate drugs but I'm going to shoot up heroin anyway because I like how heroin makes me feel.


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traptunderice wrote:

I don't think you can abolish the sex biz and in some ways what comes out of the sex biz is kinda awesome, i.e., I kinda enjoy going to the Hustler store


Wait a minute how can you be anti pornography and still go to a porno store and enjoy going there?

That's like saying I hate drugs but I'm going to shoot up heroin anyway because I like how heroin makes me feel.
Hustler sells sex toys and lingerie. My ex and I used to go there all the time. Porn magazines on a rack won't kill me. The ex was actually avidly opposed to pornography at the time, while I was more liberal like Zad back in the day. You just avert your eyes, check out the flavored lubes, vibrators, lace-y garments etc. and giggle whilst having a good time. Psst! You also have really awesome sex afterwards.


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I've been to a sex shop with the girl. Most embarrassing thing ever (nearly).


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My girlfriend won't go into one. After 6 years she's only just learning to accept how much I like porn. She's kind of against it. Anyway, she copes quite well with it now. Baby steps.


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Fuck ATOS, fuck Tories, and fuck any of you liberal scum who sneer at the impact of this governments policy on vulnerable people.


Charming! None of that was direct proof of anything the government did, you do realise that, don't you? Conflating this to murder is simply conspiracy theory bullshit.

Glad I missed the gun debate, too.


One of those links was a report on deaths as a result of disability welfare reassessment. Are you really going to stand there and defend ATOS and the Tories?


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For a feminist, Trapt is awful quick to deny women agency when it comes to stuff he disagrees with.


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I would always watch porn when I was a younger teenager until I became disgusted with it for a couple years. Then I started hearing voices in my head telling me to quit masturbating when I went schizophrenic and I didn't even jerk off for like 8 months.

Then I got out of a mental institution, felt like I could jerk off again, had broke dick as well and was fucked up.

Started watching free porn (nothing weird) and I still jerk off to it sometimes. I never have sex but I need to jerk it once in a while haha.

:wacko:


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For a feminist, Trapt is awful quick to deny women agency when it comes to stuff he disagrees with.
I deny everybody agency, bro. FrankfurtSchool4life.

But seriously, I understand material conditions and I can understand why girls enter into said industry. Do what you got to do. I can also understand girls that actually buy into the ideology and voluntarily enter into the field. If ideology had no sway over individuals, it wouldn't be ideology. I understand that sexuality is diverse and that some people might be into that. I won't judge them for that and I think that they would agree with me that it's not a perfect system even for those who love it.

However, where I do deny agency is to laborers in entering into the labor process. They freely enter into an unfree situation. Since no one wants to starve, laborers must freely apply for jobs that will alienate and exploit them. As Paul Willis says, "All of capitalists freedoms are real freedoms, it just takes the risk that the freedom is always to enter into self-damnation". Agency never denied.


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Then I started hearing voices in my head telling me to quit masturbating when I went schizophrenic and I didn't even jerk off for like 8 months.


This is a genuine question, I'm not taking the piss. Were you raised catholic or religious at all?


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had broke dick as well
Umm what is broke dick, dude?

Edit: On second thought, don't answer that.


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traptunderice wrote:
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traptunderice wrote:

I don't think you can abolish the sex biz and in some ways what comes out of the sex biz is kinda awesome, i.e., I kinda enjoy going to the Hustler store


Wait a minute how can you be anti pornography and still go to a porno store and enjoy going there?

That's like saying I hate drugs but I'm going to shoot up heroin anyway because I like how heroin makes me feel.
Hustler sells sex toys and lingerie. My ex and I used to go there all the time. Porn magazines on a rack won't kill me. The ex was actually avidly opposed to pornography at the time, while I was more liberal like Zad back in the day. You just avert your eyes, check out the flavored lubes, vibrators, lace-y garments etc. and giggle whilst having a good time. Psst! You also have really awesome sex afterwards.


I'm really really trying hard to understand you but you seem like a complex person so for the sake of my sanity I'm bowing out of this discussion. Besides it seems we're all going round and round anyway.

I do thank you for being tactful and not go ape shit on me.


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MetalStorm wrote:
traptunderice wrote:
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I don't think you can abolish the sex biz and in some ways what comes out of the sex biz is kinda awesome, i.e., I kinda enjoy going to the Hustler store


Wait a minute how can you be anti pornography and still go to a porno store and enjoy going there?

That's like saying I hate drugs but I'm going to shoot up heroin anyway because I like how heroin makes me feel.
Hustler sells sex toys and lingerie. My ex and I used to go there all the time. Porn magazines on a rack won't kill me. The ex was actually avidly opposed to pornography at the time, while I was more liberal like Zad back in the day. You just avert your eyes, check out the flavored lubes, vibrators, lace-y garments etc. and giggle whilst having a good time. Psst! You also have really awesome sex afterwards.


I'm really really trying hard to understand you but you seem like a complex person so for the sake of my sanity I'm bowing out of this discussion. Besides it seems we're all going round and round anyway.

I do thank you for being tactful and not go ape shit on me.
You've been cool, man. I was trying to be upfront with you. I have a degree in gender studies. I ponder more than most on the complexities of the porn industry.


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traptunderice wrote:
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traptunderice wrote:
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traptunderice wrote:

I don't think you can abolish the sex biz and in some ways what comes out of the sex biz is kinda awesome, i.e., I kinda enjoy going to the Hustler store


Wait a minute how can you be anti pornography and still go to a porno store and enjoy going there?

That's like saying I hate drugs but I'm going to shoot up heroin anyway because I like how heroin makes me feel.
Hustler sells sex toys and lingerie. My ex and I used to go there all the time. Porn magazines on a rack won't kill me. The ex was actually avidly opposed to pornography at the time, while I was more liberal like Zad back in the day. You just avert your eyes, check out the flavored lubes, vibrators, lace-y garments etc. and giggle whilst having a good time. Psst! You also have really awesome sex afterwards.


I'm really really trying hard to understand you but you seem like a complex person so for the sake of my sanity I'm bowing out of this discussion. Besides it seems we're all going round and round anyway.

I do thank you for being tactful and not go ape shit on me.
You've been cool, man. I was trying to be upfront with you. I have a degree in gender studies. I ponder more than most on the complexities of the porn industry.


And I appreciate that. Also I respect your opinion whether I agree with it or not I still respect it.

It's been a nice civil discussion but like I said I'm bowing out as I felt I've said enough and waiting for the next one(and after telling myself I wouldn't come back into this thread go figure).


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Its a woman's right to choose whether or not to be involved in said activity of pornography, as always Trapt delves into some massive overthought analysis of this and ends up delving into lame ass politically and philosophically untenable Marxist drivel. He really isn't that complex Metalstorm, for all the massive walls of text he's typed out its all the same reduced to victimhood bullshit.


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Then I started hearing voices in my head telling me to quit masturbating when I went schizophrenic and I didn't even jerk off for like 8 months.


This is a genuine question, I'm not taking the piss. Were you raised catholic or religious at all?


I was raised going to Baptist churches.

Broke dick means I couldn't ejaculate/maintain erection.


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ok regarding the issue above (and I am assuming this discussion has reached it's conclusion?)

the participants have a right to choose whether to be involved or not, just as those who view the material choose to do so, if you are uncomfortable with the idea or find pornography to be morally unacceptable then you have the choice of not viewing it

the only situation I can see where this creates issues is where one party be it advocating or opposing the viewing and making of such material attempts to force their views on the other

ok new subject anyone?

how about health care subsidy schemes

pros, cons, for, against

sorry for the comparitively dull subject matter but it's all I could think of


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Tehom wrote:
Its a woman's right to choose whether or not to be involved in said activity of pornography, as always Trapt delves into some massive overthought analysis of this and ends up delving into lame ass politically and philosophically untenable Marxist drivel. He really isn't that complex Metalstorm, for all the massive walls of text he's typed out its all the same reduced to victimhood bullshit.
Hmm. All that shit you typed. The whole time just imagine me doing a wanking gesture...


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Just watched a video where Mohandas Gandhi's grandson Rajmohan Gandhi called his grandfather a failure for doing anything for the dalits of the Hindu caste system. Pretty powerful stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPHHcJHq ... re=mh_lolz


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It's a hard cold world, there will always be the predator and the preyed upon; nothing new under the sun... still, anybody that preys upon the weak, the vulnerable and the innocent are nothing more than vulturously oppurtunistic scum. We are supposedly a higher form of animal than that, though I have my doubts at times.


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