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picked up some books in Edinburgh

- "In Praise of Older Women", by Stephen Vizinczey
- "Pedro Páramo", by Juan Rulfo
- Brave New World
- The Idiot, because the cute girl at the hostel said it was her favourite and the shop had it for £2

also wanted to pick up Slaughterhouse 5 (would have been my first Vonnegut) and Neil Gaiman's Stardust, but dude £9 per book are ye shittin me?

started In Praise... and it's really cool so far.

what do you guys think of The Book of Laughter and Forgetting? i loved the unbearable lightness of being but didn't really like Identity so dunno.

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J.R.R Tolkien - The Silmarillion

Figured it would be a good starting point considering all I know of Tolkien's work is the Blind Guardian songs inspired by it.


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RelentlessOblivion wrote:
J.R.R Tolkien - The Silmarillion

Figured it would be a good starting point considering all I know of Tolkien's work is the Blind Guardian songs inspired by it.

Good luck, you'll need it.


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J.R.R Tolkien - The Silmarillion

Figured it would be a good starting point considering all I know of Tolkien's work is the Blind Guardian songs inspired by it.

Good luck, you'll need it.
Nah. It wasn't that bad, nor was it good though. RO, have you not read the other Tolkien?

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John Gaventa - Power and Powerlessness: Quiescence and Rebellion in an Appalachian Valley, amongst some other books on coal mining in the region.

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Max Stirner The Ego and its Own

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FUCKING FUCK SHIT ASS FUCK BITCH SHIT PISS

forgot my BRAND NEW COPY of Brave New World at my seat at the airport and when i came back for it 10 minutes later it was gone! fucking fuck shit! it cost me £9!! it had two huge introductions, including one by Margaret Atwood. fucking shit man seriously. fucking pissed.

anyway finished In Praise of Older Women, it was excellent and i heartily recommend it.

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Max Stirner The Ego and its Own
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Stirner's economic ideas are not clearly formulated (in keeping with the style of the book) but still many parallels to Marx are obvious.(31) These are chiefly found in the sections on political and social liberalism.(32) In the former there is a passage on the omnipotence of money that is closely parallel to the passage in the Paris MSS. where Marx quotes Shakespeare (Timon of Athens) and remarks: `What I as a man am unable to do, and thus what all my individual faculties are unable to do, is made possible for me by money.... In mediating thus money is a genuinely creative power'.

The passage in Stirner reads: `"Money governs the world" is the keynote of the bourgeois epoch. A destitute aristocrat and a destitute labourer amount to nothing so far as political significance is concerned. Birth and labour do not do it, but money brings consideration (Das Geld gibt Geltung)'.(33)

One place where Stirner seems to anticipate Marx is where he briefly mentions a doctrine which Marx will later make into one of the corner-stones of his economic theory - the doctrine of surplus value. Stirner says :

Under the regime of the commonalty (Burgertum) the labourers always fall into the hands of the possessors - that is of those who have at their disposal some bit of the state domains, especially money and land - of the capitalists therefore. The labourer cannot realise on his labour to the extent of the value that it has for the consumer. The capitalist has the greatest profit from it.

In the section on social liberalism (i.e. communism) Stirner has a passage analysing the bad effects of division of labour and the workers' deprivation of their products which is very like what Marx was writing at the same time:

When everyone is to cultivate himself into man, condemning a man to machine-like labour amounts to the same thing as slavery. If a factory worker must tire himself to death twelve hours or more, he is cut off from becoming man. Every labour is to have the intent that man be satisfied. Therefore he must become a master in it, too, that is be able to perform it as a totality. He who in a pin-factory only puts on the heads, only draws the wire, etc., works, as it were, mechanically, like a machine; he remains half-trained, does not become a master: his labour cannot satisfy him, by itself, has no object in itself, is nothing complete in itself; he labours only into another's hands and is used (exploited) by this other.(34)

Even the call of the Eleventh Feuerbach Thesis `to change the world' finds its echo here :

When, for example, a branch of industry is ruined and thousands of labourers become breadless, people think reasonably enough to acknowledge that it is not the individual who must bear the blame, but that `the evil lies in the situation'.

Let us change the situation, then, but let us change it thoroughly, so that its fortuity becomes powerless.(35)

It is difficult to show any direct influence of Stirner on Marx here, the more so as Stirner's book was to a large extent an amalgam of current cliches. What the above passages show is that the ideas of alienated labour and exploitation were by no means confined to Marx at this time, even among Germans. Both Stirner and Marx were probably much influenced by the ideas of Fourier.

http://libcom.org/history/stirner-feurb ... d-mclellan

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I adore him for his anarchist/highly Individualistic approach to anarchism. He has some communist leanings I suppose, but he is more in the line of Nietzsche than Marx. I can see leftist anarchists taking a lot of love for his work

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Gave up on The Silmarillion, too much creationist bullshit to deal with.

Moved on to The Hobbit and I must say the first part of the book is far better then the first movie in the trilogy.


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I adore him for his anarchist/highly Individualistic approach to anarchism. He has some communist leanings I suppose, but he is more in the line of Nietzsche than Marx. I can see leftist anarchists taking a lot of love for his work
A friend of mine at Texas A&M is doing his dissertation on how Nietzsche's political philosophy is actually an endorsement of a caste system, subjecting the Last Man to rule by the aristocracy. I wasn't having it when he explained it to me.

Reading Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground by Moynihan and Soderlind. I read it years ago, but returning to it in order to get a sense of the influences in Norwegian black metal. I hate the true crime stuff as much as I always did, but am enjoying the anecdotal tales.

Also Marx at the Margins by Anderson. Read it last year, but reading it again for a different class. Race, ethnicity and national movements were crucial for Marx's understanding of the proletariat and the workings of capitalism.

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John Berger's Metal, Rock and Jazz: Perception and the Phenomenology of Musical Experience.

Susan Buck-Morss' Hegel, Haiti and Universal History.

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Finished Tristram Shandy. Feeling a lot of affection and adoration for Laurence Stern right now. Starting Moroi Kita's Ghosts, which is good although it's a little jarring going from something so manic to something so pretty and contemplative.


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finished Small Gods, loved it! Om's curses and the Ephebe philosophers were hilarious, as were many of the comments throughout the book. satire is sharp and clear without being too obvious or inelegant.

just over halfway through Heart of Darkness. it is weird that the guys on the boat in England would let the narrator speak for so fucking long, but that aside, i'm really enjoying it. the prose is excellent, can hardly believe the guy wasn't even a native English speaker. kind of undecided on whether it's racist or not, though.

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kind of undecided on whether it's racist or not, though.
Do you only read every other word on the page? It's pretty fucking obviously racist, but it's what you do with that racism that's more interesting. Is the racism a literary trope to describe British colonialism? Does it reflect some underlying political content that is being offered to the reader?

Reading some of Bruno Latour's stuff on science studies and actor-network theory. And To Save the Land and People: A History of Opposition to Surface Coal Mining in Appalachia by Chad Montrie, which was great the first half of the book but then starkly crashes in intrigue given how activism shifts from grassroots union-based organizing to trade union-Congressional appeals due to the post-Fordist compromise.

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it could be.. sarcastic. i don't know how else to put it. Saramago sometimes wrote in his narrator voice that a woman or some uneducated character was being surprisingly intelligent or insightful. he didn't really think that but was doing it to criticise some more traditionalist views. that's why i said i wasn't sure.

in this case i do think he is being racist. Kurtz was out there committing some atrocities which the company ultimately benefited from, but the narrator saw it as a corruption of an otherwise idealist goal of truly enlightening a bunch of primitives, plus all the blacks seem more an extension of the jungle than real people. but even if he does seem to think poorly of the continent and the people, he still calls out the terrible actions done in the name of trade and progress.

i liked the themes and the prose as i said was excellent, but he really bungled it in the end, it's a fucking mess. out of nowhere this intended girl and then the guy leaves the cabin and is taken and leaves notes and the horror the horror ugh.

what about this year's Man Booker prize winner?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Luminaries
sounds good.

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That sounds fun. I wanted to write a novel about a gold rush type thing a while back but have yet to get around to it. I'd also like to read more stuff written in the last ten years since I never do that.


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i liked the themes and the prose as i said was excellent, but he really bungled it in the end, it's a fucking mess. out of nowhere this intended girl and then the guy leaves the cabin and is taken and leaves notes and the horror the horror ugh.


I remember disliking the ending, after a great journey, back years ago when I read the book. But I'm not quite sure what I wanted from the ending, either. Meeting Kurtz and have him give us the theory of everything would have been even sillier.

And regarding the supposed racism of the author versus the winking of an author at a racist audience, I think the ambiguity of Conrad has served him very well, certainly according to a reviewer on the Heart of Darkness Wiki page: who called the book 'the most analyzed work of literature in universities.'


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it would've been sillier and in a way it's fitting to the general shittiness of the guy's journey that he barely gets to talk to a sane Kurtz after all that anticipation, but THE HORROR also becomes much less hard-hitting, in my view.

worse than the, erm, let's call it subtle payoff, which has good and bad aspects to it, is just the fucking mess he made of the ending.

i'm over halfway through The Idiot but wondering whether i should continue. everyone talks way too much and makes a huge deal out of small things. maybe the translation (the old Constance Garnett one) doesn't help either, but i haven't read any others to compare. i realise this is a simplistic view of one of the Great Novels but... it's too much.

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i'm over halfway through The Idiot but wondering whether i should continue. everyone talks way too much and makes a huge deal out of small things. maybe the translation (the old Constance Garnett one) doesn't help either, but i haven't read any others to compare. i realise this is a simplistic view of one of the Great Novels but... it's too much.
I have the newer Pevear and Volonsky translation, and still never made it past the first fifty pages. I love Dostoevsky, but not that one. I know V really enjoys it, but I would easily put Notes, Crime or Brothers over it. Don't let its dryness prevent you from reading other works of his.

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