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 Post subject: Old Man's Child - Vermin (2970)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:37 pm 
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Old Man's Child - Vermin
Symphonic Black Metal
Quoted: 90 / 100


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:44 pm 
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It doesnt sound very promising from Misha's point of review..


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:54 pm 
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I thought that the downloadable song (Enslaved and Comdemned) was pretty damn good. If I'm not wrong, Misha really hates this kind of BM (or norsecore, as I guess he would say...)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:00 pm 
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Rated 20/100, I'm happy today so I rated generously...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:39 pm 
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Nice review, BUT:

Jason wrote:
Some one compared the mood of Old Man’s Child to the slickly produced/modern horror movies and that fail to deliver the mood and feeling of the grainy and less-slick movies of the past. Although this is a good comparison, my rebuttal is that people should consider that maybe movie producers haven’t been using their tools correctly, and that if done right, a horror movie today can have a thousand times more mood or “evilness”. Vermin, just like In Defiance of Existence, is an example of where modern tools were used correctly, successfully managing to mesh mood together with a strikingly clean and destructive sound.

That was not the point, movie producers give some movies parts with lesser quality. You need to see it as giving the production of an action movie to a horror film, that doesn't work.
Furthermore, would The Blair Witch Project be as shivering if it recorded with modern equipment and if everything was done professional? NO, I refer to the sequel here if you doubt that.
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1. This album shows absolutely zero emotion, there is no real hate driving the guitars, and if there was, hate allone can't give an album moods. No glory, no pride, no hate, no sadness -> crap
2. The riffs and structures are all recycled from their previous efforts. They are unusual in a way, but they all sound the same. Ok, so they sound original here, but I'm glad so because I don't want more of this crap around.
3. Just take a look at Galder's pics, what the fuck does the guy think he's doing? This is the problem on half of the BM bands, but Galder just seems to take a serious stance on it. Can't they just be normal on pics like most underground BM acts?4. What was Galder inspired by creating this? I tell you, his own dumps, for utter shit this is.
5. OMC got crap after Born Of The Flickering, which was fair, this is just another piece 'o crap in the row, all their albums sound allike.
6. Are you saying this has a 1000 times more evilness (from your movie comparison speach) than real BM? Is this more evil than Moonblood? Or old Darkthrone? Or Vlad Tepes? Or most other real BM band? Important note: cheesy synths are not evil. (Don't get me wrong here though, I listen to "evil" BM only occasionally)
7. The album also sucks.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 8:58 pm 
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Nice review, BUT:

Jason wrote:
Some one compared the mood of Old Man’s Child to the slickly produced/modern horror movies and that fail to deliver the mood and feeling of the grainy and less-slick movies of the past. Although this is a good comparison, my rebuttal is that people should consider that maybe movie producers haven’t been using their tools correctly, and that if done right, a horror movie today can have a thousand times more mood or “evilness”. Vermin, just like In Defiance of Existence, is an example of where modern tools were used correctly, successfully managing to mesh mood together with a strikingly clean and destructive sound.

That was not the point, movie producers give some movies parts with lesser quality. You need to see it as giving the production of an action movie to a horror film, that doesn't work.
Furthermore, would The Blair Witch Project be as shivering if it recorded with modern equipment and if everything was done professional? NO, I refer to the sequel here if you doubt that.
Then:
1. This album shows absolutely zero emotion, there is no real hate driving the guitars, and if there was, hate allone can't give an album moods. No glory, no pride, no hate, no sadness -> crap
2. The riffs and structures are all recycled from their previous efforts. They are unusual in a way, but they all sound the same. Ok, so they sound original here, but I'm glad so because I don't want more of this crap around.
3. Just take a look at Galder's pics, what the fuck does the guy think he's doing? This is the problem on half of the BM bands, but Galder just seems to take a serious stance on it. Can't they just be normal on pics like most underground BM acts?4. What was Galder inspired by creating this? I tell you, his own dumps, for utter shit this is.
5. OMC got crap after Born Of The Flickering, which was fair, this is just another piece 'o crap in the row, all their albums sound allike.
6. Are you saying this has a 1000 times more evilness (from your movie comparison speach) than real BM? Is this more evil than Moonblood? Or old Darkthrone? Or Vlad Tepes? Or most other real BM band? Important note: cheesy synths are not evil. (Don't get me wrong here though, I listen to "evil" BM only occasionally)
7. The album also sucks.


I agree with Misha a 110 %

besides... OMC has always achived to make me rip off my hair in frustration... aaargghh... i can't take this kind of crappy music hidden beneath a good production :shock: :evil: ...


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Dago wrote:
It doesnt sound very promising from Misha's point of review..

You actually take him seriously?

I mean, sure, he is an expert in his field, but when it comes to certain things you simply must take things he or Astaroth say with a grain of salt...and then some.


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YAYAYAY! :D

Awesome review. I can't wait to get this.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:54 am 
How would this one compare to the groovy 'Pagan Prosperity', which I enjoyed a lot? That one was simple, but catchy.


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HumanTorch wrote:
How would this one compare to the groovy 'Pagan Prosperity', which I enjoyed a lot? That one was simple, but catchy.


Have you heard the Enslaved And Condemned mp3? You can download it here, and judge for yourself, I guess. :wink:

http://mp3.centurymedia.com/oldmanschil ... demned.mp3

Of course, I'm only judging from one song, but I'd say that this is much more symphonic than The Pagan Prosperity. However, this is still very catchy.


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Radical Cut wrote:
Dago wrote:
It doesnt sound very promising from Misha's point of review..

You actually take him seriously?

I mean, sure, he is an expert in his field, but when it comes to certain things you simply must take things he or Astaroth say with a grain of salt...and then some.


OMC sounds like hollywood, looks pretentiously g(oth)ay, and offers nothing to the world of BM, because BM isn't faggy death metal. Before I go further, I'll just say, OMC sucks. That's my opinion. Okay, back to my point. BM is the baby of acts like Burzum, Mayhem, Ildjarn, Ulver, Darkthrone... Look at the elements they put into their music. Now look how incredibly far OMC falls from that tree. Far from the tree, not because they are original, but because they fail to put anything that represents the genre in their music that'd appeal to anyone who gives a shit about the feeling produced by those forefathers. A feeling that has been upheld by impressive clones and not-so-clones that have followed. If you have no interest in actual black metal, or the spirit of what it was and continues (sometimes) to be, THEN take Misha's words with a grain of salt.


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Or succinctly put, if you enjoy music give OMC a chance, if you enjoy solely black metal then you can safely discard their recent contributions.


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If you enjoy music, you've already spent your money on classic thrash, essential death metal, and awe inspiring black metal. :lol:


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NewFriendAncientEnemy wrote:
If you enjoy music, you've already spent your money on classic thrash, essential death metal, and awe inspiring black metal. :lol:


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It's quite easy really... if you're a BM purist then by all means listen to Misha and avoid this album like the plague. If you're a more all-around Metal listener not concerened by the pure BM aestethics then give it a shot, you might like it.


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HumanTorch wrote:
How would this one compare to the groovy 'Pagan Prosperity', which I enjoyed a lot? That one was simple, but catchy.

The Pagan Prosperity is slightly different, if you would include dance beats with it and make it cheesier, you get this.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:32 pm 
Ahh.. Finally some time to reply. First off, i have to say that i was meaning to write a more in-depth review for this cd, but my midterms, new jobs and radio show coincided with the release and had to squeeze this in amidst all that. anyways the result is a review that i'm a little disapointed with it as i had more to say about it. Second point, i can't skip lines or make paragraphs because the enter key on my laptop broke... stupid dell computers. Third and more importantly: I understand Misha's logic and view, and you know what, through one perspective you are 100% on the nose. Why i think you are right because many of the elements of dimmu and OMC go against the BM aesthetic (by aesthetic, i mean the lack of traits inherent in BM that you mentioned in your long post, and the inclusion of traits that shouldn't be there i.e. amazing production). What i disagree with is that Misha i criticizing this album from the stance of a Black Metal purist and doesn't atleast point out from an unbias perspective that the MUSIC iteself (likes notes on a sheet of paper) are worthy of some kind of praise. I mean come on, the guy recorded everything by himself very skillfully and you have to admit that iy is much harder to make music that sounds squeeky clean that music that is laden with distortion and grime. Lets face it, if somone gave a super-high quote to some retardo trendy-ass screamo metalcore album, i would likely write something close to what you did... maybe worse... but what i would do different is pry myself from predisposed logic and say something that is good about the album insetead of always looking at in a negative light. Because i have bias and distaste for for the homos that love the music, sing like spastic morons and wear womens jeans (no joke, i've met a few) doesn't mean that these guys have a good riff or two. to conclude, all i have to say is that respect all ya'lls opinions but what differentiates a good opinion from a better opinions is the ability to see things through many different lenses. Like someone said if you love "true" BM don't even bother listening to this album, if you don't, give it a try, i liked it very much


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Too many people focus on the production.

I really don't care about the production. It's the music. Production can't make good music. It can make good music better, depending on the genre and what kind of production it calls for, but I really don't care whether it sounds clean or very lo-fi.


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Great review yet again from Jason. This is an awesome album, dont miss out. I'm not a hudge fan of Black Metal but Old Man's Child really hits the spot for me.


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Ahh, I do like the older stuff by OMC, but I personally haven't liked anything he's done since Ill-Natured Spiritual Invasion. His time in Dimmu Borgir has influenced him in a bad way. To me, In Defiance of Existence sounded like a second-rate Dimmu. So I have zero expectations for this album, but I will still give it a chance.


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