The General Politics Thread

traptunderice

GeneralDiomedes wrote
traptunderice wrote
GeneralDiomedes wrote
Goat wrote
You don't have any evidence for that, though, aside from your own odd views about sex in general.

There is more evidence that nothing other than consensual sex took place, than there is for rape.And strange ideas about sex .. you've never broken a condom? Never woken up a woman with I dunno, some 'sexual touching'?
Have you ever continued stuffing your dick into someone after she insisted that you stop?
Did you ever eat a baby?Oh, and the answer is no, lest some internet accusation land me on Interpol's watch list.Get real here people.

Needless to say, if this condom broke and the girl didn't want to be impregnated and insisted that he stop, it's fucking rape. How is that difficult to understand?

Goat

Kathaarian wrote
We're not gonna change the world by sitting on our asses.

...in front of a pc? Sums Anon up pretty well. Wish they'd stick to sending old men birthday cards.

Fridge wrote
Umm... Well, yeah, and she fucking loved it.

Or she said she did, because she was afraid you'd get your guitar out.

Trapt wrote
Needless to say, if this condom broke and the girl didn't want to be impregnated and insisted that he stop, it's fucking rape. How is that difficult to understand?

Plus one, let alone sleeprape. I must say, I was partly expecting to be alone on this. high fives Trapt

traptunderice

Goat wrote
Trapt wrote
Needless to say, if this condom broke and the girl didn't want to be impregnated and insisted that he stop, it's fucking rape. How is that difficult to understand?
Plus one, let alone sleeprape. I must say, I was partly expecting to be alone on this. high fives Trapt

Fuck you. You defended Polanski.

Goat

Oh, FFS. No, Trapt, I never actually defended Polanski, just pointed out that trying a man twice for the same crime (especially when he's served time for it) because of his celebrity is less than just. I have been more than consistent, actually:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.metalreviews.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=344616#344616">http://www.metalreviews.com/phpBB2/view ... 616#344616</a>

I never denied that he committed rape, that it was terrible, or that he deserved punishment for it. I don't see how that contradicts having sympathy for the victims' names being made mud here.

Anyways, your side in that thread were using the 'if it was your sister you'd want to kill him' argument, so I'm glad I am at least consistently taking the rational side against mob mentality.

traptunderice

My side in the thread? I'm glad I had a posse. Umm I remember refuting you for thinking he was actually punished when he was just held as people are held before sentencing.

But anyways, yeah, Wikileaks isn't radical and whether Assange is a rapist or not to think that these women's cases shouldn't be heard because of the possibility that it's a media spectacle is to debase the whole process of law. They have the right to bring their case up.

Kathaarian

Doesn't it look even a little bit odd to you that this rape trial, which was open months ago and went nowhere, just happened to pop up while Assange was wrecking shit up with the cables thing?

Am I paranoid or are you guys way too fucking naive? If you were raped would you wait for months and then go "stop everything, I remember now, I was sleeping".

C_Chulainn

This is getting weird as fuck.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-accuser-stops-cooperating-police/">http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assa ... ng-police/</a>

noodles

<a class="postlink" href="http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog/view/wikileaks_reveals_us_tax_dollars_fund_child_sex_slavery_in_afghanistan#share_source">http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog ... are_source</a>

oops

cry_of_the_banshee

noodles wrote
http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog/view/wikileaks_reveals_us_tax_dollars_fund_child_sex_slavery_in_afghanistan#share_sourceoops

Disgraceful.
Apparently, it's not a even big secret (though this is the first I've heard of it) and they have a history of, shall we say, less-than-savory behavior. I'll bet that here are many many things our "government" funds that would sicken a dog. Wonder what other affronts to decency will be pushed squirming into the light after all is said and done.

All the stories I've heard about Afghanistan indicate it is really nothing more than a shit-hole stuck in the Dark Ages.
Come to think of it, there is something inherently smarmy about the whole fucking region.

Kathaarian

Afghanistan is a shithole. Funny how the last two superpowers the world has seen got buried in that shit.

traptunderice

Private companies contracted by the gov't using tax money for unsavory deeds? How revelatory! Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine is a book full of horrible use of tax dollars while being unsavory aren't as morally depraved as that leak. Then again maybe leaking child molestation will cause more of a shitstorm than the mistreatment of laborers and the creation of slums.

cry_of_the_banshee

Kathaarian wrote
Afghanistan is a shithole. Funny how the last two superpowers the world has seen got buried in that shit.

The US isn't buried yet. Yet.
This fucking country better remove it head from it's collective ass before it's too late, though.

This is a country where a greasy scumbag like Charles rangel gets censured (ooooh, how terrible) for years and years of tax fraud, while chairing the Ways and Means commitee, no less, and a private citizen (Wesley Snipes) gets jail time for the same thing, after all.

Actually, probably the best thing that could happen (in the long run) is if it collapsed completely and started anew.

North_From_Here

Kathaarian wrote
Afghanistan is a shithole. Funny how the last two superpowers the world has seen got buried in that shit.

Anyone wish to convince China to give Afghanistan a try too?

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
Private companies contracted by the gov't using tax money for unsavory deeds? How revelatory! Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine is a book full of horrible use of tax dollars while being unsavory aren't as morally depraved as that leak. Then again maybe leaking child molestation will cause more of a shitstorm than the mistreatment of laborers and the creation of slums.

Actually it is.
I'd wager that the vast majority of people in this country are unaware that these things are happening, the book mentioned above notwithstanding.

And this has nothing to do with Marx, or Engels, or any of that nonsense for that matter, so stop diverting.

traptunderice

I'm not diverting. I'm just saying that private contractors have done awful, awful things in Iraq and Afghanistan. The two examples I know off my head is awful treatment of workers and the exclusion of people into contained ghettos or slums. Yet sex trafficking, not wholesale slaughter of the innocent and countless other accounts of human rights violation, is what will get media attention. Our own soldiers put another soldier in a cargo container to rape her; imagine what these companies, without any form of accountability keeping them in check, are doing to a people with no way of voicing the atrocities they suffer under.

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
I'm not diverting. I'm just saying that private contractors have done awful, awful things in Iraq and Afghanistan. The two examples I know off my head is awful treatment of workers and the exclusion of people into contained ghettos or slums. Yet sex trafficking, not wholesale slaughter of the innocent and countless other accounts of human rights violation, is what will get media attention. Our own soldiers put another soldier in a cargo container to rape her; imagine what these companies, without any form of accountability keeping them in check, are doing to a people with no way of voicing the atrocities they suffer under.

The things that you are speaking of, these atrocities and human rights violations, are not exclusive to these private contractors or our own soldiers (I would imagine that there are bad apples in our military, but by and large civilian abuses are kept to a minimun).
At any rate, there is a big difference between buying, selling and raping children and "containing" people in slums, or "awful" working conditions. If you are referring to those things in relation to the States, well, the working conditions are far from "awful" and nobody is being "contained" in slums. Now if you are referring to those situations as they may be in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. well, that is their problem, really.

The questions I have are:
Did DynCorp knowingly engage in human, child trafficking or did the money they funded the so called party with go unknowingly (or known after the fact) towards these things?
And, if so, do the swine in DC have any knowledge of this, and if they do, what in the hell are they funding them for?

Never mind, I think we can figure out the answer to that one.

traptunderice

cry of the banshee wrote
traptunderice wrote
I'm not diverting. I'm just saying that private contractors have done awful, awful things in Iraq and Afghanistan. The two examples I know off my head is awful treatment of workers and the exclusion of people into contained ghettos or slums. Yet sex trafficking, not wholesale slaughter of the innocent and countless other accounts of human rights violation, is what will get media attention. Our own soldiers put another soldier in a cargo container to rape her; imagine what these companies, without any form of accountability keeping them in check, are doing to a people with no way of voicing the atrocities they suffer under.
The things that you are speaking of, these atrocities and human rights violations, are not exclusive to these private contractors or our own soldiers (I would imagine that there are bad apples in our military, but by and large civilian abuses are kept to a minimun).

That's the issue I'm trying to point out. Now that most operations are done by private corporations, abuses have skyrocketed and there are no forms of accountability.

At any rate, there is a big difference between buying, selling and raping children and "containing" people in slums, or "awful" working conditions. If you are referring to those things in relation to the States, well, the working conditions are far from "awful" and nobody is being "contained" in slums. Now if you are referring to those situations as they may be in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. well, that is their problem, really.

Umm I was only referring to Afghanistan and Iraq. I would say demarcating people into areas where there aren't enough supplies for them to live off of while using them for practically slave labor to rebuild the buildings which we destroyed is pretty fucked up. If you don't think that putting people into slums which are regulated by private paramilitary forces leads to higher rates of rape and prostitution then yeah I guess you wouldn't see how awful work conditions can be worse than sex trafficking. "Their problem"? The whole point of what I was saying is that we are fucking doing this to them when our tax dollars funds these companies to go overseas and do this to them. Slavery is the slave's problem not the overseer's. :rolleyes:

Did DynCorp knowingly engage in human, child trafficking or did the money they funded the so called party with go unknowingly (or known after the fact) towards these things?

That's the issue, though, they may not even be aware of what their budget goes towards because there are no forms of accountability. Even if this company is completely innocent and it was the fault of the party-goers misusing funds, there are no ways of holding the company accountable for how their money is spent insofar as their contract is to the govt and not the American people.

And, if so, do the swine in DC have any knowledge of this, and if they do, what in the hell are they funding them for?

I'd be curious to see which members of the Senate and House have monetary connections to DynCorp? Either way there are no repercussions to be had for immoral private contractors.

cry_of_the_banshee

traptunderice wrote
cry of the banshee wrote
traptunderice wrote
I'm not diverting. I'm just saying that private contractors have done awful, awful things in Iraq and Afghanistan. The two examples I know off my head is awful treatment of workers and the exclusion of people into contained ghettos or slums. Yet sex trafficking, not wholesale slaughter of the innocent and countless other accounts of human rights violation, is what will get media attention. Our own soldiers put another soldier in a cargo container to rape her; imagine what these companies, without any form of accountability keeping them in check, are doing to a people with no way of voicing the atrocities they suffer under.
The things that you are speaking of, these atrocities and human rights violations, are not exclusive to these private contractors or our own soldiers (I would imagine that there are bad apples in our military, but by and large civilian abuses are kept to a minimun).
That's the issue I'm trying to point out. Now that most operations are done by private corporations, abuses have skyrocketed and there are no forms of accountability.
At any rate, there is a big difference between buying, selling and raping children and "containing" people in slums, or "awful" working conditions. If you are referring to those things in relation to the States, well, the working conditions are far from "awful" and nobody is being "contained" in slums. Now if you are referring to those situations as they may be in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. well, that is their problem, really.

Umm I was only referring to Afghanistan and Iraq. I would say demarcating people into areas where there aren't enough supplies for them to live off of while using them for practically slave labor to rebuild the buildings which we destroyed is pretty fucked up. If you don't think that putting people into slums which are regulated by private paramilitary forces leads to higher rates of rape and prostitution then yeah I guess you wouldn't see how awful work conditions can be worse than sex trafficking. "Their problem"? The whole point of what I was saying is that we are fucking doing this to them when our tax dollars funds these companies to go overseas and do this to them. Slavery is the slave's problem not the overseer's. :rolleyes:
Did DynCorp knowingly engage in human, child trafficking or did the money they funded the so called party with go unknowingly (or known after the fact) towards these things?
That's the issue, though, they may not even be aware of what their budget goes towards because there are no forms of accountability. Even if this company is completely innocent and it was the fault of the party-goers misusing funds, there are no ways of holding the company accountable for how their money is spent insofar as their contract is to the govt and not the American people.
And, if so, do the swine in DC have any knowledge of this, and if they do, what in the hell are they funding them for?
I'd be curious to see which members of the Senate and House have monetary connections to DynCorp? Either way there are no repercussions to be had for immoral private contractors.

Most of what has been said above we are on the same page with, in fact, pretty much all of it. It is sickening that money that could and should be used for something for the betterment of this country is going to corporations (private? How Orwellian). But don't make it sound as if Afghanistan was a thriving paradise where everybody was treated with dignity and had their slice of The Pie before the profiteers came in, and don't roll your eyes at me, son.

cry_of_the_banshee

<a class="postlink" href="http://video.ap.org/?t=By%20Section/U.S.&p=&f=AP&g=1210dv_pol_wh_clinton_obama">http://video.ap.org/?t=By%20Section/U.S ... nton_obama</a>

Watch it 'til the end.

<a class="postlink" href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA_CLINTON?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT">http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... TE=DEFAULT</a>

Just who is the President, again?
Keeping his wife waiting? I'm gonna take off?
Are you fucking kidding me?

I hate to say it (actally, I don't, really), but I was quite clear back in 08 that this comminity organizer would be a failure. His own party is deserting him like rats on a sinking ship.
One-termer, mark my words.

Goat

/\ Clinton would love to be President in perpetuity, I'm sure. Not the worse man the country's ever had in charge of it...

Back to Assange, it appears that 'sex by surprise' does not, in fact, exist.

<a class="postlink" href="http://m.jezebel.com/5711600/how-aol-news-started-the-sex-by-surprise-lie">http://m.jezebel.com/5711600/how-aol-ne ... rprise-lie</a>

« Previous Page Next Page »