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also it only ruins your mind/body if you smoke copious amounts of it, which you probably deserve for getting addicted to the least addictive drug in the first place.


I know that trying it once or twice probably won't do anything to you. But that doesn't make it any less of a waste of time.

Well, you could call pretty much anything that doesn't involve getting you food and shelter a waste of time. I don't think weed is any worse than watching movies, working out, playing video games, playing an instrument, listening to music or whatever else people like to do with their spare time.

Also most stoners I've met seem to really enjoy their lives, so I wouldn't really call that "ruined" :zzz:


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To be honest, I think the whole "MARIJUANA IZ TEH ROXORS!!!!!11111" trend in music is stupid. If you think about it, what's so awesome about smoking something that ruins your mind along with other vital organs in your body? What are you accomplishing? What are you doing that's "cool/neat" anyway? It's just because marijuana smoking has become a symbol of rebelliousness over the years (after all, every parent rightfully warns his/her kids not to get into it) that people like Phil Anselmo glorify it as if it's the coolest thing ever. When it's really just something bored teenagers use to shock their parents and lazily relieve stress.

so... you've never smoked weed, huh


Well, no. But I've had some friends who did. Two of which actually ruined their lives because that's all they would ever do. And the whole idea of "getting high" is just stupid. Basically, you're artificially relieving stress and retreating into a fantasy world, rather than living in reality. There are far more productive ways you can relieve stress than using pot. You don't necessarily have to have tried drugs to be aware of how stupid and useless they really are.


To be frank, your friends are morons. Pot isn't even addictive, not in the physical sense that other drugs like Alcohol or Cocaine are. Your body isn't going to start convusling if you don't have it. My father literally goes into seizures if he doesn't drink, which is the result of 30+ years of abusing Alcohol. Marijuana would never ever have that sort of effect on someone, and it has been proven to have many uses in the medical field. It is a proven alternative to taking painkillers which can lead to downright nasty addictions, has amazing effects for Glaucoma patients, and can even help control certain mental disorders. I'd much rather smoke a little grass to help control my clinical depression that take some crap like Lexapro which has a veritable laundry list of side-effects. It's certainly better than all of those horrendous pills that doctors are always pushing. Most of those will give you Liver damage on the same level that heavy drinking does.


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To be honest, I think the whole "MARIJUANA IZ TEH ROXORS!!!!!11111" trend in music is stupid. If you think about it, what's so awesome about smoking something that ruins your mind along with other vital organs in your body? What are you accomplishing? What are you doing that's "cool/neat" anyway? It's just because marijuana smoking has become a symbol of rebelliousness over the years (after all, every parent rightfully warns his/her kids not to get into it) that people like Phil Anselmo glorify it as if it's the coolest thing ever. When it's really just something bored teenagers use to shock their parents and lazily relieve stress.

so... you've never smoked weed, huh


Well, no. But I've had some friends who did. Two of which actually ruined their lives because that's all they would ever do. And the whole idea of "getting high" is just stupid. Basically, you're artificially relieving stress and retreating into a fantasy world, rather than living in reality. There are far more productive ways you can relieve stress than using pot. You don't necessarily have to have tried drugs to be aware of how stupid and useless they really are.


To be frank, your friends are morons. Pot isn't even addictive, not in the physical sense that other drugs like Alcohol or Cocaine are. Your body isn't going to start convusling if you don't have it. My father literally goes into seizures if he doesn't drink, which is the result of 30+ years of abusing Alcohol. Marijuana would never ever have that sort of effect on someone, and it has been proven to have many uses in the medical field. It is a proven alternative to taking painkillers which can lead to downright nasty addictions, has amazing effects for Glaucoma patients, and can even help control certain mental disorders. I'd much rather smoke a little grass to help control my clinical depression that take some crap like Lexapro which has a veritable laundry list of side-effects. It's certainly better than all of those horrendous pills that doctors are always pushing. Most of those will give you Liver damage on the same level that heavy drinking does.


I know that I may be exaggerating the physical damage, etc. that it does. Though, like everything else, it probably depends largely on the individual person and his/her biological make-up. Some people just naturally handle cigarettes, marijuana, even fatty foods better than others.

Still, I personally find it a stupid thing to get into (along with heavy alcohol consumption, cigarettes, or any form of "biological escapism"). Not just because of health concerns, but also because of the whole concept of "getting high" - which I just naturally find moronic. Especially after seeing people getting high at parties, etc. Just as some people find video games stupid to get into. And other people find heavy metal a stupid genre. I'm okay with you disagreeing with me. But I do have a firm opinion of the matter.


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I won't go ranting about the "dangers" of marijuana, but I won't try it. I figure I don't need it and I'd rather play my bass anyway. :cool:

This is coming from the guy who has the opening lines to "Straight Edge" in his sig. I wouldn't call myself straight edge, though.
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I really don't get the h8 towards weed. The worst thing that's happened to anyone I know because of it is that it wasn't their thing and they just felt bad when they were high. Or one time my friend actually enjoyed an Acid Mother's Temple album lolol

I guess it's because I live in BC.


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Nah, I don't really hate it, I just would rather not. I'd rather spend my money on CDs 'n shit. :dio:


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I know that I may be exaggerating the physical damage, etc. that it does. Though, like everything else, it probably depends largely on the individual person and his/her biological make-up. Some people just naturally handle cigarettes, marijuana, even fatty foods better than others.

Still, I personally find it a stupid thing to get into (along with heavy alcohol consumption, cigarettes, or any form of "biological escapism"). Not just because of health concerns, but also because of the whole concept of "getting high" - which I just naturally find moronic. Especially after seeing people getting high at parties, etc. Just as some people find video games stupid to get into. And other people find heavy metal a stupid genre. I'm okay with you disagreeing with me. But I do have a firm opinion of the matter.


Eh, everything's a form of escapism when you get down to it. Video games are a form of withdrawing from reality, especially these days. You are leaving the real world for a virtual one, one where whatever problems a person is experiencing don't exist. They can also be extremely addiciting, some people have given up their entire personal lives to sit around and play World of Warcraft 24/7. Anything can become a life damaging addiction, hell I'm sure every person on this site has spent ungodly amounts of money to feed their music addictions, myself included. It's all about moderation, no matter what the subject matter is.


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Pot? Why smoke it? It sucks but I haven't smoked it. I read about it and friends had it.

Sex? Why have sex? Sex makes babies and you should have it as many times as you want kids. I haven't had sex but I've seen porno so I know all about it.

MASTURBATION? Don't even get me started bitch.


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Lol @ Kathy.

One thing about weed, and this might not apply to you non-English types, but you have to be careful what you buy. It's not unknown for some bastards to mix fiberglass in to make it look better - you could be getting any shite in there, some of which is definately harmful. Basically, have a damn good source, and you're alright.


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The biological effects it may or may not cause have valid arguments either way, and the argument on whether it should be legalized or not has valid points on both sides. However, at the present time it IS illegal, no matter what the benefits/harms of it may be, so that should be the end of the argument on to whether you should do it or not. And if you do choose to do it/sell it, realize that you are doing something illegal and won't mind facing the consequences. If you want to escape reality through a substance, at least pick a legal one like alcohol.


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Dylan@Metalreviews wrote:
The biological effects it may or may not cause have valid arguments either way, and the argument on whether it should be legalized or not has valid points on both sides. However, at the present time it IS illegal, no matter what the benefits/harms of it may be, so that should be the end of the argument on to whether you should do it or not. And if you do choose to do it/sell it, realize that you are doing something illegal and won't mind facing the consequences. If you want to escape reality through a substance, at least pick a legal one like alcohol.


Yeah, that's another thing. I wouldn't want to go to jail for just feeling good when there are other ways of going about doing it. It's sort of similar with alcohol, but I still drink some on occasion. I wouldn't drink to escape reality, though. That's a good way to become an alcoholic.


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Lol @ Kathy.

One thing about weed, and this might not apply to you non-English types, but you have to be careful what you buy. It's not unknown for some bastards to mix fiberglass in to make it look better - you could be getting any shite in there, some of which is definately harmful. Basically, have a damn good source, and you're alright.


In Finland, a lot of people soak hash in oil to make it weigh more so they can sell it at a higher price. I've come across shit that smelled like motor oil.


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Ah, the old Mary Jane debate. As I've said before, it's fine every now and then, but making marijuana your life and becoming a pothead is obviously a stupid thing to do. God I hate potheads.


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Dylan@Metalreviews wrote:
The biological effects it may or may not cause have valid arguments either way, and the argument on whether it should be legalized or not has valid points on both sides. However, at the present time it IS illegal, no matter what the benefits/harms of it may be, so that should be the end of the argument on to whether you should do it or not. And if you do choose to do it/sell it, realize that you are doing something illegal and won't mind facing the consequences. If you want to escape reality through a substance, at least pick a legal one like alcohol.


Exactly.


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Ah, the old Mary Jane debate. As I've said before, it's fine every now and then, but making marijuana your life and becoming a pothead is obviously a stupid thing to do. God I hate potheads.


Same here. I can tolerate (but not really approve of) people smoking it on occasion. But I can't stand people like those two ex-friends of mine who make it their whole life, rather than putting their obvious boredom/stress/anxiety to better and more creative use.


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Dylan@Metalreviews wrote:
The biological effects it may or may not cause have valid arguments either way, and the argument on whether it should be legalized or not has valid points on both sides. However, at the present time it IS illegal, no matter what the benefits/harms of it may be, so that should be the end of the argument on to whether you should do it or not. And if you do choose to do it/sell it, realize that you are doing something illegal and won't mind facing the consequences. If you want to escape reality through a substance, at least pick a legal one like alcohol.


Dylan's layin down for the man! :wink:

If anything things should be the other way around, Pot should be legal and alcohol should be illegal. And that's coming from someone who works in the advertising department of a Budweiser distributer. Alcohol is without a doubt one of the worst things on the market besides cigarettes.


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The biological effects it may or may not cause have valid arguments either way, and the argument on whether it should be legalized or not has valid points on both sides. However, at the present time it IS illegal, no matter what the benefits/harms of it may be, so that should be the end of the argument on to whether you should do it or not. And if you do choose to do it/sell it, realize that you are doing something illegal and won't mind facing the consequences. If you want to escape reality through a substance, at least pick a legal one like alcohol.


Dylan's layin down for the man! :wink:

If anything things should be the other way around, Pot should be legal and alcohol should be illegal. And that's coming from someone who works in the advertising department of a Budweiser distributer. Alcohol is without a doubt one of the worst things on the market besides cigarettes.


Very much so. Especially when every shitty chain of bars is in an endless competition to see who can flog the most of it in the shortest space of time. Whenever I walk around British city centres late at night I see all the people pissing in the street and kicking eachothers heads in and bellowing like cattle, and think the country would be a much better place if all these alcoholics were actually potheads, sitting at home playing computer games instead of ruining the landscape for sober people.


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Very much so. Especially when every shitty chain of bars is in an endless competition to see who can flog the most of it in the shortest space of time. Whenever I walk around British city centres late at night I see all the people pissing in the street and kicking eachothers heads in and bellowing like cattle, and think the country would be a much better place if all these alcoholics were actually potheads, sitting at home playing computer games instead of ruining the landscape for sober people.


Absolutely. Whatever weed does, it doesn't make you a violent twat.


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Yeah everyone who smokes pot is really miserable and just uses it to escape from the world!!!!!

Oh wait, you're retarded.

I've had some very positive things come out of smoking weed.

But I guess I should listen to the people who have never smoked weed (or if they have smoked it's been shit weed) to tell me all about it (yo whats up DARE).

Only reason pot is even illegal is because of Harry Aslinger ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Anslinger ).

I'd also like to know how it ruins your body/mind seinfeld.


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The biological effects it may or may not cause have valid arguments either way, and the argument on whether it should be legalized or not has valid points on both sides. However, at the present time it IS illegal, no matter what the benefits/harms of it may be, so that should be the end of the argument on to whether you should do it or not. And if you do choose to do it/sell it, realize that you are doing something illegal and won't mind facing the consequences. If you want to escape reality through a substance, at least pick a legal one like alcohol.


Dylan's layin down for the man! :wink:

If anything things should be the other way around, Pot should be legal and alcohol should be illegal. And that's coming from someone who works in the advertising department of a Budweiser distributer. Alcohol is without a doubt one of the worst things on the market besides cigarettes.


Very much so. Especially when every shitty chain of bars is in an endless competition to see who can flog the most of it in the shortest space of time. Whenever I walk around British city centres late at night I see all the people pissing in the street and kicking eachothers heads in and bellowing like cattle, and think the country would be a much better place if all these alcoholics were actually potheads, sitting at home playing computer games instead of ruining the landscape for sober people.


Indeed. I hate to sound all Marx-y, but if the government really wanted to keep the workers under control what better way would there be than pot? Alcohol is the one thing that ruins the British reputation. Still, as the forum drunk I must add the disclaimer that it's very nice at times, and there's nothing women at bars want more than to be propositioned by men with lots of beer in them.


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